So you're saying, once I create my new JavaFX app with all the new beautiful and wondrous JavaFX goodies - I can do what? Sit at home and look at it? :)
David On Jul 18, 2013, at 5:02 PM, Daniel Zwolenski <zon...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are definitely credible alternatives. The problem is currently the > alternatives are not implemented well enough so web still ends up a contender > just by being the only one able to stand up. > > And for the record I build both public facing apps and back-office apps and > web deploy does not work well for either. I stopped using jfx because of > deployment. I now build only webapps because of deployment. > > Credible alternatives: > > 1. Native bundlers, but we need: > - auto updating so people can easily release patch updates > - smaller co-bundled jre's so that the initial download and install is smooth > and quick > - better build tools to make this easier to integrate into a standard build > process, with some solution for cross-platform build support or to at least > minimize the pain > > 2. App stores: > - ready to go right now for Mac but we don't have the tools and I think we > need everything fully open sourced for licensing reasons (hard to say) > - need to either pick one of the unofficial win app stores for pre-win8 > support (there's a few), or build our own app store > - we just need tools for building and deploying to app stores (not that hard) > and cut down jre sizes again (app stores are an extension of cobundling > approach). > > 3. Self-hosted 'app store' for corporate settings. install a small, native > client on the machine that allows that user to download and install apps from > your private server, with auto-updating, etc > - we need to build one, not that hard, maybe a month or two of work to get a > first working version out. I would have built one by now but because jfx > packaging tools are so bad I've burnt up all my spare time just putting > wrappers around these to get the most basic of maven plugins to work. > > All of the above could have been implemented by now if there was just a > little bit of love in this area. One resource ticking away would have been > enough to get something going. As it stands there has been zero, nada, zip > changes into anything other than web/security deployment efforts over the > last year. J8 due next year (!) will not include any of the above, or even > any simple improvements to deployment approaches other than web, to the best > of my knowledge. > > > > On 19/07/2013, at 7:30 AM, Mark Fortner <phidia...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I've heard the "webstart is broke, don't fix it, move on" song before from a >> number of people. What I haven't heard is a credible solution to solving >> the very real problem of keeping an app up-to-date in a corporate setting. >> For the most part, I agree that if you're in the business of selling >> commercial software, selling and distributing through an app store probably >> makes sense for you. Although I wouldn't relish having to build on all of >> those platforms. >> >> However, posting proprietary apps to external OS-specific app stores doesn't >> really work for anyone in a corporate setting. Neither does making a user >> re-install an application every time you post a bug fix. In addition, many >> corporations limit the privileges they give users. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Mark >> >>
