This type of discussion would make sense to me for devjam.

> On 05.07.2016, at 15:54, Benjamin Reed <ran...@opennms.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/5/16 9:46 AM, Ronny Trommer wrote:
>> I don’t have in general no idea, but as soon we don’t get to common
>> understanding, you are are one person refactoring code in one
>> direction where you think this is the way to go and five others do
>> something totally differently cause every individual person thinks
>> this is the way to go make no sense to me. It’s not making anything
>> better :)
> 
> Vaadin has clearly been a mistake, IMHO.  It seems to be the worst
> combination of JS and Java for our uses, and is almost untestable
> without a TON of work unless you happen to be running on a perfect
> system that doesn't hit its race conditions.  It was a great way to
> reuse Java expertise to make a more modern webapp, and was a step up
> from straight-up JSPs, but it's mostly a bunch of extra work to avoid
> writing straight javascript, which a number of us are already
> comfortable working in directly.  Having pure JS apps also forces us to
> implement good ReST APIs for accessing data, which benefits everyone.
> 
> We *definitely* need to pick a standard and go with it... I am with
> Alejandro on the AngularJS train, personally.  BUT, if we're going to
> start using it more, we need to normalize our javascript build system
> and codebase a lot.  There's already a lot of copy+paste duplication in
> the newer controls Seth made, and a mishmash of Angular apps in
> different places.
> 
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