On Jul 25, 2005, at 10:43 AM, John Beck wrote:
The first is that all the mechanisms which you rail against are in fact
how things work now.
Yes. I intend to change that.
Your statement of how things should work matches my
understanding of how things ought to work in the *long* term, but we
have
a lot of short- and medium-term work to do before we get there, and
much
of that work may be somewhat challenging.
Like what? I believe that the first step to getting to where you
want to be is to try to get there right now. Assuming that it can't
be done just because it seems like a big change is a non-starter.
We won't find out until we try. What exactly is blocking us from
creating a directory containing ksh93 code and making it the
current ksh for OpenSolaris?
So we need to recognize that the
development processes for Solaris in the past to a large extent
continue
into the present and can only change so quickly in the near future.
Why?
The second is that you sound[1] awfully inflexible. While it is good
to have
such noble goals, given where we are, being too rigid in the short
term may
not be a Good Thing. So I would encourage flexibility and
open-mindedness
as we try to move from the dark past thru the dim present to the
(hopefully)
bright future.
My participation in OpenSolaris is conditioned on a number of
statements by Sun regarding the nature of this project. If those
statements are false, my participation will end quite abruptly.
You may consider that to be inflexible. I consider it to be simple
time management -- I have better things to do than convince a
recalcitrant and conservative organization to adhere to its own
press releases.
OpenSolaris is intended to be a collaborative project. In order
to collaborate with the rest of the world, future progress has to
be made in public, using public tools, on public work products.
Any code that is not open source is dead code that needs to be
replaced, and the way to do that is by creating communities with
live code that can be worked on in public. The only code in
OpenSolaris is open source code. Determining what parts of that
code are actually used by proprietary distributions like Solaris
is not our community's responsibility.
The CAB has been asked to create a governance process in which
collaboration can thrive. While there are several ways we could
approach such a process, none of them involve creating a state
wherein Solaris business decisions determine what can or cannot
go into OpenSolaris, since that is not collaboration.
....Roy
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