Hi, admin

James gives a good explanation. Should I resubmit this proposal?

On Sat, 2006-12-16 at 00:26, James Carlson wrote:
> UNIX admin writes:
> > > Now solaris just supports ADSL with ethernet
> > > interface, and we must
> > > extend sppptun to support USB ADSL modem.
> > 
> > This has me confused. I have an ADSL "modem" (those are bridges
> > really) at home and I have the thing hooked up directly into my
> > Solaris firewall. Except configuring the default route and NAT to be
> > the ADSL "modem", I didn't need to fiddle with sppptun.
> 
> There are unforunately several different 'flavors' of ADSL.  The
> requirements differ based on which country you're in, which provider
> you have, and what equipment you're using.  Some of the cases I've
> seen:
> 
>   - Provider runs Ethernet bridged over ATM, with plain old IP on
>     Ethernet and a DHCP server.  You're in luck because you've got a
>     fairly clueful and friendly provider.  You don't need anything but
>     the existing IP support in Solaris.
> 
>   - Provider uses PPP over PPPoE over Ethernet over ATM, and your
>     local device is just an Ethernet over ATM bridge.  You'll need
>     PPPoE, which is built into Solaris.  (We lack the horribly hackish
>     TCP MSS brutalizing "feature" that some other OSes have, and that
>     can be a problem if you're using Solaris to NAT or route for other
>     machines.  Also PPPoE itself imposes an MTU of 1492, which often
>     ends up causing connectivity problems even in the best of cases.
>     Avoid like a bad head cold.)
> 
>   - Provider uses PPP over ATM, and your box attaches by way of USB or
>     is a plug-in card.  This appears to be common in the UK.  You'll
>     likely need what the proposed project will deliver.
> 
>   - Provider uses PPP over ATM, and your box is actually a NAT with
>     Ethernet on the other side.  You won't need any special software;
>     it'll "just work," modulo the usual problems that NAT's lack of
>     transparency imposes.
> 
> Yes, that's actually ATM on the DSL link.  At one point in time, I
> think they expected users to want separate VCs for different services
> with the magic of ATM's QoS, but like ATM to the desktop, that never
> really materialized.  In any event, ATM makes for a handy statistical
> multiplexing solution that carriers understand how to handle, albeit
> with some overhead and cost.  (Using actual routers would likely be
> better for all concerned, but the management part is the big concern.)
> 
> There are other configurations that are technically possible (such as
> running PPP on HDLC over the DSL bit stream -- the lowest possible
> overhead), but I haven't seen them in the wild.
> 
> Thus, specifying something like "ADSL modem support" is a bit
> ambiguous.  It would be nice to call this project "PPPoA" or "USB ADSL
> support" instead.
> 
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