Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 09:50:45 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 16:28 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: > > Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:53:59 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko: > > > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: > > > > The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide > > > > (I > > > > hope this > > > > became clear in earlier mails). OBS is a SUSE/Novell product in > > > > first > > > > place, > > > > used also by openSUSE. > > > > > > > > I am also personal interessted in a name change, but I can't > > > > decide > > > > this on my > > > > own as well. > > > > It would be good in any case if would not start on changing the > > > > web > > > > pages like > > > > suggested in the mail before. > > > > > > Then there is some serious confusion here. We have always been > > > told > > > that OBS was a part of the openSUSE Project. And the name openSUSE > > > Build Service lends to that belief that it is under the openSUSE > > > umbrella, rather than being called the SUSE Build Service. If that > > > is > > > not the case, then we have been seriously misled here for a very > > > long > > > time. > > > > It is developed under the openSUSE umbrella as part of the project. It > > is 100% open source (GPL). > > But talking about names is a different thing. Currently, OBS like the > > openSUSE name is owned by SUSE/Novell, the company. Yes, I know, we > > want to move the openSUSE name ownership to the foundation, but this is > > currently not yet the case. > > > > > So now... I'm concerned that we've been told this is an openSUSE > > > project, we've been marketing it as such, we've been actively > > > talking to the FOSS community as such and it turns out it doesn't > > > belong to us. > > > > It does not belong to you like also YaST, X11 or the Linux kernel does > > not belong to you (just to name some examples). It is GPL, you can do > > what you want according to the license terms, but that does not mean > > that you can re- organize how it is developed or it's naming in the > > upstream project. > > > > > By comparison, the SUSE Studio product has always been clearly > > > stated as not being part of the openSUSE Project umbrella and we > > > acted accordingly recognizing the marketing efforts to be a > > > partnership, not a domain of openSUSE. > > > > > > So, I'm at a loss now with this sudden change of what's been said to > > > us > > > for at least the past year repeatedly being wrong. Maybe we need to > > > pull back on marketing until we can get further clarification that > > > this > > > is indeed true and if so, why we were misled for the past year. > > > > There is no sudden change. > > > > And we agreed here that opensuse marketing can not decide on it's own > > about the name. The OBS developers can't do that either, because they > > are (almost only) Novell employees, so we need to feed this into our > > company decision process. > > > > But we did exactly this already, because we also want to rename it. > > > > If we just could agree that we should not rename web pages already we > > have no disagreement, I think. > > So... in the end, we just went on a little side-trip to realize we're > pretty much on the same page after all. :-) > > Really, at this junction, whether we make the recommendation to the OBS > team or to some higher-up isn't relevant. Its whether we can actually > make our formal recommendation statement. And I see no reason why we > cannot do that to whomever is next up in the chain that is able to make > decisions. Could you forward us that contact information? (You can > send it to me privately if you prefer it not be published on the ML.)
Kurt Garloff <garl...@suse.de> and Gerald Pfeiffer <g...@suse.de> are the best contacts (we discussed this topic these days). Jos would be involved as part of marketing during the process, I believe. > So, let's go ahead and still make our formal recommendation statement. > Adrian, you actually gave one good point above that should be > incorporated into the statement. You mention that most OBS devs are > Novellians. This is a further reason why we should change the name in > order to attract more developers that are not Novell-employed. I think > that should speak volumes in our statement. > > Bryen -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH email: adr...@suse.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
