If it helps to unruffle some feathers, maybe Open (normal voice) SUSE (whisper) Build Service (normal voice)
and maybe like so many other products maybe adding as an optional byline... Powered by OpenSUSE :) Tony On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:50 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko <susero...@bryen.com> wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 16:28 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: >> Am Donnerstag, 10. Februar 2011, 08:53:59 schrieb Bryen M. Yunashko: >> > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 15:41 +0100, Adrian Schröter wrote: >> > > The point is, also the OBS developer team is not free to decide (I >> > > hope this >> > > became clear in earlier mails). OBS is a SUSE/Novell product in first >> > > place, >> > > used also by openSUSE. >> > > >> > > I am also personal interessted in a name change, but I can't decide >> > > this on my >> > > own as well. >> > > It would be good in any case if would not start on changing the web >> > > pages like >> > > suggested in the mail before. >> > >> > Then there is some serious confusion here. We have always been told >> > that OBS was a part of the openSUSE Project. And the name openSUSE >> > Build Service lends to that belief that it is under the openSUSE >> > umbrella, rather than being called the SUSE Build Service. If that is >> > not the case, then we have been seriously misled here for a very long >> > time. >> >> It is developed under the openSUSE umbrella as part of the project. It is >> 100% >> open source (GPL). >> But talking about names is a different thing. Currently, OBS like the >> openSUSE >> name is owned by SUSE/Novell, the company. Yes, I know, we want to move the >> openSUSE name ownership to the foundation, but this is currently not yet the >> case. >> >> > So now... I'm concerned that we've been told this is an openSUSE >> > project, we've been marketing it as such, we've been actively talking to >> > the FOSS community as such and it turns out it doesn't belong to us. >> >> It does not belong to you like also YaST, X11 or the Linux kernel does not >> belong to you (just to name some examples). It is GPL, you can do what you >> want according to the license terms, but that does not mean that you can re- >> organize how it is developed or it's naming in the upstream project. >> >> > By comparison, the SUSE Studio product has always been clearly stated as >> > not being part of the openSUSE Project umbrella and we acted accordingly >> > recognizing the marketing efforts to be a partnership, not a domain of >> > openSUSE. >> > >> > So, I'm at a loss now with this sudden change of what's been said to us >> > for at least the past year repeatedly being wrong. Maybe we need to >> > pull back on marketing until we can get further clarification that this >> > is indeed true and if so, why we were misled for the past year. >> >> There is no sudden change. >> >> And we agreed here that opensuse marketing can not decide on it's own about >> the name. The OBS developers can't do that either, because they are (almost >> only) Novell employees, so we need to feed this into our company decision >> process. >> >> But we did exactly this already, because we also want to rename it. >> >> If we just could agree that we should not rename web pages already we have no >> disagreement, I think. >> > > So... in the end, we just went on a little side-trip to realize we're > pretty much on the same page after all. :-) > > Really, at this junction, whether we make the recommendation to the OBS > team or to some higher-up isn't relevant. Its whether we can actually > make our formal recommendation statement. And I see no reason why we > cannot do that to whomever is next up in the chain that is able to make > decisions. Could you forward us that contact information? (You can > send it to me privately if you prefer it not be published on the ML.) > > So, let's go ahead and still make our formal recommendation statement. > Adrian, you actually gave one good point above that should be > incorporated into the statement. You mention that most OBS devs are > Novellians. This is a further reason why we should change the name in > order to attract more developers that are not Novell-employed. I think > that should speak volumes in our statement. > > Bryen > > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org > For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+unsubscr...@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-marketing+h...@opensuse.org
