Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
the upper left logo having the same size than the column
below, seems to be part of the column. So the left column
seems to begin at the top of the page.
Well, IMHO this place is just a natural fit for a logo ;-).
take a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
and you will see the logo is clearly idependant from the
sidebar. May be this is more for a colour question than
size, but the effect is very different from our
* tag the sidebar to make it begin at the same level as the
text.
still look at the wikipedia example. The "navigation" word
(top of the sidebar) is nearly at the same level than
"overview, searching, editing" that marks the beginning of
the page.
Note that we can't have a real influence on the bottom of
the page, too related to the browser's defaults
?? (Don't nderstand that, too)
any browser give the layout it wants from the same code; At
the top of the page, there is not too much difference from a
browser to an other, but as you go deeper in the page the
differences grow. So we can be reasonably sure of what the
user will see on top, but not really on the bottom.
There are other proposals to change the layout of the FrontPage, too.
Question is, how do we proceed in this discussion? How can we speed
things up?
may be serialize questions. (solve them one after the other :-)
Now that I have finally finished the new skin, I am planning to get more
involved in the front page layout discussion (at least I will be the
one to implement template and css changes and the front page ;-)) ),
hope that's OK for you.
very good :-)
In my opinion there are two quite different problems:
1 do we need an international hub for "opensuse.org" and
"www.opensuse.org" URL? If the answer is yes as it should be
(I agree that english is the proeminent language, but
default sending to english seems a bit too much), what
should we have (for example a la wikipedia)
2 what must be the practical Front page?
I think we must keep in mind that we use mediawiki and that
mediawiki was (and still is) done for wikipedia. Any too
large change from the wikipedia point of view could make
updates a problem.
If we still look at the wikipedia page, we see that the
sidebar is made of different parts, well separated on
wikipedia (and mediawiki defaults), not visible at all on
opensuse.
-the wiki parts (content menus:download, communicate...)
-the tools (toolbox), that are only a wiki/web use. In
wikipedia, for example, the search is just in top of the
toolbox, because it's a tool content oriented :-)
-the interwiki links
So what are the Front page parts?
* the logo
* the top line (only user oriented on wikipedia)
* the edit link line (on top on wikipedia, bottom for opensuse)
* the sidebar already discussed
* the page title.
the page title of the front page is not any title. On
wikipedia it's enhanced (sentence, links)
On opensuse, the front page title is very alone in a large
blanc space.
To begin, can we ask for an important question:
#do we need a complete layout change or only small
modifications of the actual one?
I vote for only small modifications and you?
jdd
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