On Tuesday 11 July 2006 17:23, jdd wrote: Hi,
> Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > > Well, IMHO this place is just a natural fit for a logo ;-). > > take a look at > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page > > and you will see the logo is clearly idependant from the > sidebar. May be this is more for a colour question than > size, but the effect is very different from our yes, but I think it is because of the background that is different from th content/navigation boxes and, whatsmore, because it is "3D" rather than being "flat" like the OpenSUSE logo. > >>* tag the sidebar to make it begin at the same level as the > >>text. > > still look at the wikipedia example. The "navigation" word > (top of the sidebar) is nearly at the same level than > "overview, searching, editing" that marks the beginning of > the page. Well, that depends on the language - it's different in the French and German Wikipedia, for instance. If the text should begin at the same level than the left navigation, we would have to drop the top navigation (with the three links) - otherwise we would add a considerable amount of whitespace to the page top. > >>Note that we can't have a real influence on the bottom of > >>the page, too related to the browser's defaults > > > > ?? (Don't nderstand that, too) > > any browser give the layout it wants from the same code; At > the top of the page, there is not too much difference from a > browser to an other, but as you go deeper in the page the > differences grow. So we can be reasonably sure of what the > user will see on top, but not really on the bottom. Hmm, this is probably a matter of the number of hacks you implement for the different browsers. Fortunately the MediaWiki themes implement lots of them ;-) (this was one of the reasons why we did the monobook based redesign of the skin). > > There are other proposals to change the layout of the FrontPage, > > too. Question is, how do we proceed in this discussion? How can we > > speed things up? > > may be serialize questions. (solve them one after the other :-) Sounds good. > very good :-) > > In my opinion there are two quite different problems: > > 1 do we need an international hub for "opensuse.org" and > "www.opensuse.org" URL? If the answer is yes as it should be > (I agree that english is the proeminent language, but > default sending to english seems a bit too much), what > should we have (for example a la wikipedia) > > 2 what must be the practical Front page? Here we have two different problems again (IMHO): - content (e.g, which links should be present in the navigation) - layout > I think we must keep in mind that we use mediawiki and that > mediawiki was (and still is) done for wikipedia. Any too > large change from the wikipedia point of view could make > updates a problem. Agreed. As mentioned above: with the new skin we are very much "monobook compliant". We are using all the monobook CSS - the opensuse styles are just additions (very few) or overwrite monobook styles. The template is as similar to the original monobook template as possible. > If we still look at the wikipedia page, we see that the > sidebar is made of different parts, well separated on > wikipedia (and mediawiki defaults), not visible at all on > opensuse. Although not visible, it is exactly the same layout as on Wikipedia - only the CSS and the content is different. > So what are the Front page parts? > > * the logo with reference to http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/The_Present_Status_Breakdown#Logo I am sorry to say that changing the logo is no option. It's a logo and logos do not change (although they "evolve" sometimes ;-) ). We could probably discuss adding some gimmicks on special occasions (like Google does), but in general the logo will stay as it is. > * the top line (only user oriented on wikipedia) It was intended to allow quick and easy access to important content that is not necessarily present in the left navigation. I would vote for replacing these links with something that is not present in the left navigation. > * the edit link line (on top on wikipedia, bottom for opensuse) > * the sidebar already discussed > * the page title. > > the page title of the front page is not any title. On > wikipedia it's enhanced (sentence, links) Also depends on the language - again fr and de have single headlines on the front page. > On opensuse, the front page title is very alone in a large > blanc space. That depends on the length of the headline. On http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/The_Present_Status_Breakdown#Logo the headline fills much of the space ;-)) > To begin, can we ask for an important question: > > #do we need a complete layout change or only small > modifications of the actual one? > > I vote for only small modifications and you? Me too, otherwise the considerable amount of work I have put into the new skin would be vain - and we would probably get away from Monobook again. -- Regards Frank (who will be back not until Monday) Frank Sundermeyer, SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0, Fax: +49-911-7417755; http://www.novell.com/ "Reality is always controlled by the people who are most insane" Dogbert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
