Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
On Tuesday 11 July 2006 17:23, jdd wrote:
Hi,
Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
Well, IMHO this place is just a natural fit for a logo ;-).
take a look at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
and you will see the logo is clearly idependant from the
sidebar. May be this is more for a colour question than
size, but the effect is very different from our
yes, but I think it is because of the background that is different from
th content/navigation boxes and, whatsmore, because it is "3D" rather
than being "flat" like the OpenSUSE logo.
* tag the sidebar to make it begin at the same level as the
text.
still look at the wikipedia example. The "navigation" word
(top of the sidebar) is nearly at the same level than
"overview, searching, editing" that marks the beginning of
the page.
Well, that depends on the language - it's different in the French and
German Wikipedia, for instance. If the text should begin at the same
level than the left navigation, we would have to drop the top
navigation (with the three links) - otherwise we would add a
considerable amount of whitespace to the page top.
Note that we can't have a real influence on the bottom of
the page, too related to the browser's defaults
?? (Don't nderstand that, too)
any browser give the layout it wants from the same code; At
the top of the page, there is not too much difference from a
browser to an other, but as you go deeper in the page the
differences grow. So we can be reasonably sure of what the
user will see on top, but not really on the bottom.
Hmm, this is probably a matter of the number of hacks you implement for
the different browsers. Fortunately the MediaWiki themes implement lots
of them ;-) (this was one of the reasons why we did the monobook based
redesign of the skin).
There are other proposals to change the layout of the FrontPage,
too. Question is, how do we proceed in this discussion? How can we
speed things up?
may be serialize questions. (solve them one after the other :-)
Sounds good.
very good :-)
In my opinion there are two quite different problems:
1 do we need an international hub for "opensuse.org" and
"www.opensuse.org" URL? If the answer is yes as it should be
(I agree that english is the proeminent language, but
default sending to english seems a bit too much), what
should we have (for example a la wikipedia)
Default to send to en.opensuse.org has point if visitor doesn't select
anything in certain amount of time that is required to read the page.
Next, send page with note that redirect is going to happen, giving a
visitor chance to stay where is by canceling redirect and load page
without time out, speed up redirect, or if again action is missing wait
for second timeout and redirect.
2 what must be the practical Front page?
Here we have two different problems again (IMHO):
- content (e.g, which links should be present in the navigation)
- layout
I think we must keep in mind that we use mediawiki and that
mediawiki was (and still is) done for wikipedia. Any too
large change from the wikipedia point of view could make
updates a problem.
Agreed. As mentioned above: with the new skin we are very much "monobook
compliant". We are using all the monobook CSS - the opensuse styles are
just additions (very few) or overwrite monobook styles. The template is
as similar to the original monobook template as possible.
If we still look at the wikipedia page, we see that the
sidebar is made of different parts, well separated on
wikipedia (and mediawiki defaults), not visible at all on
opensuse.
Although not visible, it is exactly the same layout as on Wikipedia -
only the CSS and the content is different.
So what are the Front page parts?
* the logo
with reference to
http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/The_Present_Status_Breakdown#Logo
I am sorry to say that changing the logo is no option. It's a logo and
logos do not change (although they "evolve" sometimes ;-) ). We could
probably discuss adding some gimmicks on special occasions (like Google
does), but in general the logo will stay as it is.
Evolve, is nice way to define that the door is still open for the genius
that will come with some irresistible proposal :-)
A special occasion logos are attractive way to tell people:"We care
about things important to you." Graphic refreshment is good secondary
effect.
* the top line (only user oriented on wikipedia)
It was intended to allow quick and easy access to important content that
is not necessarily present in the left navigation. I would vote for
replacing these links with something that is not present in the left
navigation.
Thanks!
* the edit link line (on top on wikipedia, bottom for opensuse)
* the sidebar already discussed
* the page title.
the page title of the front page is not any title. On
wikipedia it's enhanced (sentence, links)
Also depends on the language - again fr and de have single headlines on
the front page.
On opensuse, the front page title is very alone in a large
blanc space.
That depends on the length of the headline.
On
http://en.opensuse.org/Frontpage_redesign/The_Present_Status_Breakdown#Logo
the headline fills much of the space ;-))
You mean, left space :-)
To begin, can we ask for an important question:
#do we need a complete layout change or only small
modifications of the actual one?
I vote for only small modifications and you?
Me too, otherwise the considerable amount of work I have put into the
new skin would be vain - and we would probably get away from Monobook
again.
I looked not to disturb a lot present graphic layout which fit good in
idea not to change skin. The image is just first draft of top half of
the web page. The second half is mostly as is. The central portion is
still untouched and there is probably some space for improvement.
--
Regards,
Rajko.
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