Maurice,

> I've never profiled the EL and taglibs.  Do you have anymore details
> about what in the findValue() method is eating cycles?  I think you
> mentioned PropertyEditor in the past.

Yeah, I'll try to post a summary of my profiling findings when I have a few
spare moments (I'm extremely busy right now). Basically a lot of the time boiled
down to calling Method.invoke a bunch of times...

Regards,
--Bill

>
> Bill Lynch wrote:
>
> >Pat,
> >
> >What would the performance difference be between the current
> implementation of
> >ValueStack.findValue() vs the OGNL-implemented one? In all my profiling,
> >ValueStack.findValue() always pops to the top as the method that takes the
> >longest.
> >
> >Regards,
> >--Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>[mailto:opensymphony-webwork-admin@;lists.sourceforge.net]On Behalf Of
> >>Patrick Lightbody
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 1:41 PM
> >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Re: OGNL
> >>
> >>
> >>Yup yup...
> >>
> >>One note (just to keep everyone aware and maybe they can think of better
> >>ideas):
> >>
> >>ValueStack.findValue() does not use BeanUtil to find values (it does it's
> >>own reflection). One thing that would be nice would be to change findValue()
> >>to use Ognl in the future for getting properties from beans. Then, in order
> >>to make it possible to type-convert back to original form (I'll keep using
> >>the MM/dd/yyyy example), findValue must be able to take an a Class to find
> >>the value as:
> >>
> >>findValue(String expr) {
> >> return findValue(expr, Object.class);
> >>}
> >>
> >>findValue(String expr, Class clazz) {
> >>....
> >>// I need a property from a bean
> >>Ognl.getValue(bean, context, expr, clazz);
> >>....
> >>}
> >>
> >>Overall, I think the ValueStack is a very useful feature, but it could be
> >>"more informed" so to speak. For example, in Ognl, the context will hold the
> >>type converter that is to be used for the get/setValue operation. If in
> >>XWork (again, all hypothetical) you can configure global/bean/property-level
> >>type-converters, then when the above Ognl.getValue() call is made, the
> >>context must have the right type-converter set. This is somewhat tough (if
> >>not impossible) given the current ValueStack design.
> >>
> >>The ValueStack is a dumb stack, so to speak. It's very, very UNinformed. It
> >>does the job, but it doesn't know the context in which it's doing it in. And
> >>the value stack GETS values from beans (think Ognl.getValue). This is very
> >>different from the dispatchers (GenericDispatcher), where the code is very,
> >>very INformed. It knows exactly the context it's running in and therefore
> >>can SET bean values correctly (think Ognl.setValue). So this mix-match
> >>between the dispatch and the ValueStack is bad and should be fixed in
> >>version 2.0.
> >>
> >>-Pat
> >>
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Maurice Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 10:30 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Re: OGNL
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Chris Miller wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Maurice's point about stability before functionality is of course
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>extremely
> >>
> >>
> >>>>valid too, but if Pat is keen to code this on a branch in the meantime I
> >>>>can't see any reason to discourage him.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Let me let everyone know a little bit more about where I'm coming from
> >>>on this.  Of the new code in CVS that has caused so many problems,
> >>>Patrick and myself are the two of the main contributers.  Neither of us
> >>>has done good job on quality with that code and Rickard rightfully
> >>>chewed our asses for it.
> >>>
> >>>I feel that if you add code to the CVS repository you have the
> >>>responsibility of leaving it at least as good and hopefully better than
> >>>before.  To make things right I am working on the new testsuite, trying
> >>>to find bugs, and working my way through the bugs in Jira.
> >>>
> >>>I think Patrick feels much the same way that I do, so the OGNL stuff can
> >>>wait a little longer.
> >>>
> >>>-Maurice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1036517903.3dc8020f7b62a@;mail.formicary.net...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Well, the ognl stuff seems very promising, how about having it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>implemented
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>on a
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>branch (say, OGNL_1 or something), with a view to integrating it once
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>others
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>have had a look and feel it's worthwhile?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Again, I stress that the goal for adding it (from my perspective at
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>least)
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>is
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>performance. There should be NO configuration changes, and absolutely NO
> >>>>>external changes. The only different (hopefully) will be superior
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>performance on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>the branch version. If it ends up being
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>ugly/unusable/slow/unfashionable,
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>branch can merrily die off, if it's useful/pretty/a positive step, it
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>can
> >>
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>land
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>on HEAD. Any objections?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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