At 14.52 18/12/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Wed, 18 Dec 2002, Sebastiano Pilla wrote:

> At 14.02 18/12/2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Are portal servers just a marketing tool or are they actually useful?
>
> FWIW, I have some experience with the Oracle Portal suite. It was imposed
> from above as the tool for the project I'm "leading" at this moment: on the
> first project meeting I gave the project the Death March (tm) status for
> this very reason.

Is their tool tied to PL-SQL at all? Does that sit on top of OAS (Orion?)
Both. There are parts in PL/SQL, for example the Single Sign-On server, and about 85% of the Portal framework itself. There are some dodgy ways to have JSPs and servlets exposed as portlets, but to do anything useful in the platform you have to write code against the Portal APIs, rather than the J2EE APIs. For example, request.getSession() yields null in a JSP page, while portletRequest.getSession() actually gets you the browser's session: this is because the session is maintained by an Apache module that intercepts requests for portal pages and builds them by getting the page structure from a database.

And Oracle's Java container 9.0.x is no longer Orion 1.x, there are significant differences now in the code base. There's still the Orion heritage, the speed and the relatively low footprints, although (perhaps in an effort to compete with BEA and IBM) they've buried the configuration in an obtuse web-based application. Thru this application however one can access the raw XML configuration files, so it's not 100% bad.

If you want further info feel free to contact me privately, perhaps the WebWork list readership isnt' so much interested.

Sebastiano Pilla
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