Well, it's a J2EE app in my book - personally I don't agree with Sun (see my
blog's AVK rant) that a J2EE app _must_ contain EJBs, JSPs etc.

Either way (J2EE or not J2EE) people who use WW, XW, Lucene, Hibernate etc
are used to XML files - that was my point.

M

On 18/8/03 10:37 AM, "Hani Suleiman" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:

> Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are unlikely
> to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean
> servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising as it is, an
> app with xwork, webwork, lucene, hibernate, sitemesh, and oscache is
> not a particularly J2EE app. All it uses is jdbc (now part of the core
> JDK) and servlets.
> 
> On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
> 
>> Anders,
>> 
>> I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea.
>> 
>> You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate the
>> object, call your setter methods and run!
>> 
>> People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are
>> XML.
>> Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world example, most of the
>> elements are optional.
>> 
>> However, there _is_ a problem with WW2 at the moment that if a view is
>> not
>> found, no debug page is shown. I think it should be ("action returned
>> "input" but not "input" view found).
>> 
>> M
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/8/03 8:03 AM, "boxed" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:
>> 
>>> I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the sentiment
>>> that WW2 might be turning into a too complex system which will
>>> alienate
>>> new users and be "popular with the gearheads and such when it leaves
>>> nerd-domain". After reading the responses to the "Simplicity in WW2"
>>> email I must agree that it looks like this.
>>> 
>>> Now, to make me sound less like a whiner and more like someone with
>>> good
>>> ideas, here is a practical proposal:
>>> 
>>> The way you have to declare each action in a rather complex XML config
>>> file before even rudimentary testing increases the learning-curve
>>> needlessly. I propose a few simple features that will help the average
>>> users:
>>> 
>>> Actions can be run with the fully qualified class name.
>>> Actions map by default to
>>>   1. a view document with the name of the action.
>>>   2. if 1 fails, a debug document that displays a list of the exposed
>>> properties and their current value.
>>> 
>>> This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello world type
>>> app
>>> down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this that will cut
>>> down on the learning curve for newbies?
>>> 
>>> Anders Hovmöller
>>> 
>>> 
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