On Sun, 10 Mar 2013 20:28:13 +0100 Bastian Bittorf <bitt...@bluebottle.com> wrote:
> * Daniel Dickinson <dan...@cshore.neomailbox.net> [10.03.2013 19:57]: > > Actually, the default in the code is to use the EEPROM values if > > present, but if the EEPROM doesn't set a country code or > > to be clear: > during compile-time, a description is loaded which values are allowed > for each country: > http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-regdb.git;a=blob_plain;f=db.txt;hb=HEAD > > even if those values are changing (and they do!) you have e device > which needs a reflash to get the new values, so in the EEPROM is > just the country set and the software/driver knows what to do. > > e.g. what we make, is to include a changed "regdb" during compiletime. > (but ofcourse respect the law) > > > > > it's the same like block the word "f*ck" in the wordprocessor, > > > > because the government forbids it? ok, dont get me wrong, i > > > > overact a littly bit, but the hole thing upset's me... > > > > > > sorry, but this is really a different case. > > > > I concur, this isn't about what you say or write in private, for > > ok, this was a bad example. > > > instance. EM interference is a public safety and communications > > issue (interfering with emergency frequencies or vital control > > systems is obviously bad, and even if it was just television > > signal, interfering with everyone else's television because *you* > > want better wifi is selfish at best; and messing with cell phones > > because you want wifi won't make you friends). > > > > Telecommunications regulations exist because otherwise it'd be like > > it's not about breaking the law (no discussion about that needed here) > it's about using the values you are allowed, e.g. using channel 12,13 > in germany - but all the EEPROM are for US. > > you posted some screenshots of the original tplink-firmware for > Israel: they made nearly everything wrong for the user. I'm afraid you've confused me with someone else. I posted no such thing. Also I looked at the forum link Daniel Golle mentions in his followup to this message, and it is talking about exactly breaking (Israeli) law in Israel (the whole reason they don't want to use the default firmware is that they want to use channels that (they at least seem to believe) are 'not allowed by the government here [Israel]'). I.e. they want to break the law. I agree it makes things hard for legitimate users but the developers cannot simply let anyone do anything and expect to continue to get information and support from US-based chipset companies that take a dim view of assisting breaking the law, or not putting adequate safeguards in place to prevent non-knowledgeable/caring users from causing EM interference (actually most governments are the same way, in case you haven't noticed). In addition developers need to know that their not going to be held resposible for other developers not caring about their country's laws, unless OpenWrt is willing to lose all developers from the US and Canada (which has similar laws). Basically part of the reason there is an effort underway to improve the means by which regulatory enforcement is done is that all developers need to be able to tell regulators of their country that their countries regulations are not being thwarted by a project they work on. The original intent of atheros was that the EEPROM country code would be used to differentiate countries and this mechanism was the mechanism coded for. Device manufacturers don't like the scheme, however, because it causes inventory issues (you have to have devices that are specific to a country), so a new mechanism is needed, however it takes time to design and develop something that will satisfy the law, chipset manufacturers interpretations of what they need to do to obey the law, odm interpretation of what they need to do to satisfy the chip vendor, and linux developers and lastly users (sorry but open source is a codocracy; you write or pay for the writing the code, it's your decision; if you're user-oriented, users get a say, but it's the people who do (and may be legally liable) who make the decisions). Regards, Daniel Regards, Daniel > > bye, bastian. > _______________________________________________ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel -- <erno> hm. I've lost a machine.. literally _lost_. it responds to ping, it works completely, I just can't figure out where in my apartment it is. _______________________________________________ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
