Hello, this debate has been going on for quite a while. It's multi-faceted, which doesn't help coming to conclusions.
Maybe we can un-entangle one point: there are suggestions to either make this Standards Track or Informational; and one wheteher the protocol should be documented vs. improved. Maybe there should be two (or more) drafts instead: 1) The TACACS+ Protocol as Deployed in 2016 (Informational, *no changes*) 2-n) The New Feature X for TACACS+ (possibly Standards Track, one document per bolt-on feature) (one of the Xes being TLS encryption, but I'm sure there are more) Those voices on the list who demanded documentation can then happily accept Informational; the documentation is done either way. Those who opposed Standards Track for the durrent draft because it's about a protocol coming in from outside IETF can now go silent, because Informational addresses their concern. Those who demand new features can then put all their energy into a proper, per-feature argument with all those arguments collated in a per-topic document. Those who opposed the current draft for Standards Track can continue to oppose those new documents; this time in a focused discussion with less broadsides fired. If you can follow my line of thinking to this point, let's take it even one step further: we are now discussing a larger effort, involving multiple RFCs, taking an existing technology to a level it wasn't before. This is usually much rather a job for a working group in its own right, with a charter detailing which work happens when; not a job for a one-shot effort in the opsawg. So my ultimate suggestion would be: have a BoF at IETF95, try to form a working group, work on all issues that were brought up individually. (FWIW, this is exactly how RADIUS came to be... from an undocumented proprietary protcol to a successful IETF one. And guess what, even we had lengthy discussions about TLS encryption; debating is simply part of the culture) Greetings, Stefan Winter -- Stefan WINTER Ingenieur de Recherche Fondation RESTENA - Réseau Téléinformatique de l'Education Nationale et de la Recherche 2, avenue de l'Université L-4365 Esch-sur-Alzette Tel: +352 424409 1 Fax: +352 422473 PGP key updated to 4096 Bit RSA - I will encrypt all mails if the recipient's key is known to me http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xC0DE6A358A39DC66
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