This is very true.  Before coming to IT, I was in the field of nuclear
physics.  I know very little about business nor do I pretend to be a
business person on TV.  I first started in IT as a programmer, and was
actually very good at it.  My problem was that I did not like the business
side.  After those years of working in science, to have to listen to the
illogical business nonsense was hard for me to do.
Then I had the opportunity to start doing DBA stuff and really liked it.
Now I am a full time DBA, that does little if anything with end
users(YES!!!!) and deals mainly with developers.  I get to do lots of
reading and research on Oracle, SQL Server and DB2, but more importantly, I
now get near 100% of my time for my databases.  This is good!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But I do realize that we also have to have people like Rachel that have a
liking for the dark side of IT, that is end users.  :o)

Dave

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And the other side of the coin (I feel like playing devil's advocate here)

there are lots of truly savvy, brilliant IT people, who choose IT as their 
career, who know nothing about the business side of the process. I don't 
care how beautifully you code, if the program is not useful or usable by the

end user, it's junk.

We have a brilliant programmer here, who doesn't give a damn about the 
implications of what he does or the end user. I have sat and listened to him

make fun of the business manager because she is concerned about the impact 
of what we do on the ultimate end user, our website visitors. And I have 
wanted to smack him more often than not.

I got into programming accidentally on purpose, I originally meant to be an 
English or math teacher. looking forward at the prospect of no jobs, I 
choose something else that had been fun -- programming. I haven't regretted 
my choice but perhaps the original leaning means that I tend to see BOTH 
aspects of what I'm doing.

Rachel




>From: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Subject: Re: OT: Learning Curve for Informatica ETL Products
>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 20:30:20 -0800
>
>On Friday 06 July 2001 08:20, paquette stephane wrote:
> >
> > In the real life, the development is done by people
> > with a medium knowledge of SQL, a weak knowledge of
> > tuning and the rdbms and with 3-4 years of experience.
>
>I have to admit, we had the same concern with the
>project we were using it on.  Several people in the
>classes were struggling with stuff that was easy.
>
>It's my opinion that many people in IT were in the
>business side first, and eventually became IT folks
>because they had such a good understanding of the
>business processes and appeared to be computer savvy.
>
>In many cases the savvy exhibited by a talented power
>user does not translate well into the kind of skills,
>talent, perseverance and motivation required to have
>a good understanding of low level application processes.
>
>These people came into IT by accident.  I'm here on
>purpose.  I think it makes a big difference in many
>cases as to how successful they will be.
>
>There are of course exceptions, but I've seen a lot
>of people like this.
>
>So often the problems in IT are not technology problems,
>but people problems.
>
>Jared
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