amen! I know I work in NYC and that it's expensive here but trust me, $20 or
even $10 is NOT barely the cost of lunch or dinner.
2 slices of pizza == $3.00 throw in a soda and you're still under $5
>From: John Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:58:27 -0800
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> >we're throwing out figures
> >like $10, $20, $50 etc. for us in the US, this is
> >barely the cost of lunch or dinner,
>
>Your lunches must be REAL nice. Is that with or without the wine?
>;-)
>
>(The place I usually eat has beans and rice with 4 corn tortillas for $3.
>And its in a downtown area)
>
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>
>
>my 2 cents. i think it was re-iterated that payment
>was not necessary so i don't think folks should feel
>guilty if they can't pay. we're throwing out figures
>like $10, $20, $50 etc. for us in the US, this is
>barely the cost of lunch or dinner, so no big deal.
>but some other folks in other parts of the world,
>$10-$20 bucks is a big chunk of money that they can
>ill-afforded.
>
>all i'm saying is that folks should not feel compelled
>to pay or feel guilty. just re-read the original
>post. hopefully, most if not all the funds can be
>covered by US/Europe based DBAs' (and i hope this
>does'nt offend anyone).
>
>and everyone, whether they contribute or not, should
>feel more than welcome to use the list - no guilt
>trips please.
>
>mkb
>
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> > Dne st 29. srpen 2001 19:22 jste napsal(a):
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