Ok...  I've ran this test case on both a 8.1.6.0 and a 8.1.7.3 database...
I've ran it with both public and private rollback segments (just in case)...
I've looked at rssize in v$rollstat and sum(bytes) from dba_segments...
And, in all cases, it allows me to shrink the segment to less then both
optimal and min_extents*extent_size even though
optimal=min_extents*extent_size...  Is there something wrong in the test
case?  Has anyone ran this on one of their test databases?  I'm confused
since the test case seems straight forward...  The way I read, it allows me
to perform the shrink and the resulting segment is actually the size I
specify...  Am I doing something stupid in the test case?

Thanks
Tim

PS - Here is the test case again...

column segment_name format a30
create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage ( initial 1M next
1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );
alter rollback segment tim online;
select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  from dba_segments
 where segment_name = 'TIM';
select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
  from dba_rollback_segs drs,
       v$rollstat rs
 where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
   and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;
select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  from dba_segments
 where segment_name = 'TIM';
select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
  from dba_rollback_segs drs,
       v$rollstat rs
 where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
   and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
alter rollback segment tim offline;
drop rollback segment tim;

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:31 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Um...  Must be version differences...  Here is a test case I ran on my
8.1.7.3 machine...

SQL> create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage ( initial 1M
next 1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );

Rollback segment created.

SQL> alter rollback segment tim online;

Rollback segment altered.

SQL> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  2    from dba_segments
  3   where segment_name = 'TIM';

SEGMENT_NAME                   MIN_EXTENTS INITIAL_EXTENT NEXT_EXTENT
------------------------------ ----------- -------------- -----------
TIM                                     20        1048576     1048576

SQL> select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
  2    from dba_rollback_segs drs,
  3         v$rollstat rs
  4   where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
  5     and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;

   EXTENTS RS.RSSIZE/1048576 RS.OPTSIZE/1048576
---------- ----------------- ------------------
        20         20.296875                 20

SQL> alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;

Rollback segment altered.

SQL> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  2    from dba_segments
  3   where segment_name = 'TIM';

SEGMENT_NAME                   MIN_EXTENTS INITIAL_EXTENT NEXT_EXTENT
------------------------------ ----------- -------------- -----------
TIM                                     20        1048576     1048576

SQL> select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
  2    from dba_rollback_segs drs,
  3         v$rollstat rs
  4   where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
  5     and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;

   EXTENTS     RSSIZE    OPTSIZE
---------- ---------- ----------
        10   10633216   20971520

SQL> alter rollback segment tim offline;

Rollback segment altered.

SQL> drop rollback segment tim;

Rollback segment dropped.

SQL> 

What version is your test running on?

Tim

PS - Here is my test case if you want to run it...

column segment_name format a30
create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage ( initial 1M next
1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );
alter rollback segment tim online;
select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  from dba_segments
 where segment_name = 'TIM';
select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
  from dba_rollback_segs drs,
       v$rollstat rs
 where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
   and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;
select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
  from dba_segments
 where segment_name = 'TIM';
select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
  from dba_rollback_segs drs,
       v$rollstat rs
 where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
   and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
alter rollback segment tim offline;
drop rollback segment tim;

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:17 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


testing.... 

if the initial extent*min_extents is less than the optimal, yes you can
shrink below optimal.

if initial*minextents = optimal, you can execute an alter rollback
segment statement that lists a shrink size that is less than optimal
AND less than initial*minextents and it will not fail. But if you LOOK
at the size it shrinks to, it's initial*minextents.

so you can "kinda" shrink below optimal, the statement won't fail, but
Oracle will ignore the number you give it.
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