doesn't sound like you are doing anything stupid, and I ran on 8.1.6.0
and it said it would shrink it but didn't.  I'll use your test case
against my databases in the morning


--- "Johnston, Tim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok...  I've ran this test case on both a 8.1.6.0 and a 8.1.7.3
> database...
> I've ran it with both public and private rollback segments (just in
> case)...
> I've looked at rssize in v$rollstat and sum(bytes) from
> dba_segments...
> And, in all cases, it allows me to shrink the segment to less then
> both
> optimal and min_extents*extent_size even though
> optimal=min_extents*extent_size...  Is there something wrong in the
> test
> case?  Has anyone ran this on one of their test databases?  I'm
> confused
> since the test case seems straight forward...  The way I read, it
> allows me
> to perform the shrink and the resulting segment is actually the size
> I
> specify...  Am I doing something stupid in the test case?
> 
> Thanks
> Tim
> 
> PS - Here is the test case again...
> 
> column segment_name format a30
> create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage ( initial
> 1M next
> 1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );
> alter rollback segment tim online;
> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   from dba_segments
>  where segment_name = 'TIM';
> select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
>   from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>        v$rollstat rs
>  where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>    and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;
> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   from dba_segments
>  where segment_name = 'TIM';
> select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
>   from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>        v$rollstat rs
>  where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>    and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> alter rollback segment tim offline;
> drop rollback segment tim;
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:31 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Um...  Must be version differences...  Here is a test case I ran on
> my
> 8.1.7.3 machine...
> 
> SQL> create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage (
> initial 1M
> next 1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );
> 
> Rollback segment created.
> 
> SQL> alter rollback segment tim online;
> 
> Rollback segment altered.
> 
> SQL> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   2    from dba_segments
>   3   where segment_name = 'TIM';
> 
> SEGMENT_NAME                   MIN_EXTENTS INITIAL_EXTENT NEXT_EXTENT
> ------------------------------ ----------- -------------- -----------
> TIM                                     20        1048576     1048576
> 
> SQL> select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
>   2    from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>   3         v$rollstat rs
>   4   where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>   5     and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> 
>    EXTENTS RS.RSSIZE/1048576 RS.OPTSIZE/1048576
> ---------- ----------------- ------------------
>         20         20.296875                 20
> 
> SQL> alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;
> 
> Rollback segment altered.
> 
> SQL> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   2    from dba_segments
>   3   where segment_name = 'TIM';
> 
> SEGMENT_NAME                   MIN_EXTENTS INITIAL_EXTENT NEXT_EXTENT
> ------------------------------ ----------- -------------- -----------
> TIM                                     20        1048576     1048576
> 
> SQL> select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
>   2    from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>   3         v$rollstat rs
>   4   where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>   5     and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> 
>    EXTENTS     RSSIZE    OPTSIZE
> ---------- ---------- ----------
>         10   10633216   20971520
> 
> SQL> alter rollback segment tim offline;
> 
> Rollback segment altered.
> 
> SQL> drop rollback segment tim;
> 
> Rollback segment dropped.
> 
> SQL> 
> 
> What version is your test running on?
> 
> Tim
> 
> PS - Here is my test case if you want to run it...
> 
> column segment_name format a30
> create public rollback segment tim tablespace rbs storage ( initial
> 1M next
> 1M minextents 20 maxextents 100 optimal 20M );
> alter rollback segment tim online;
> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   from dba_segments
>  where segment_name = 'TIM';
> select rs.extents, rs.rssize/1048576 , rs.optsize/1048576
>   from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>        v$rollstat rs
>  where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>    and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> alter rollback segment TIM shrink to 10M;
> select segment_name, min_extents, initial_extent, next_extent
>   from dba_segments
>  where segment_name = 'TIM';
> select rs.extents, rs.rssize, rs.optsize
>   from dba_rollback_segs drs,
>        v$rollstat rs
>  where drs.segment_name = 'TIM'
>    and drs.segment_id = rs.usn;
> alter rollback segment tim offline;
> drop rollback segment tim;
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:17 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> testing.... 
> 
> if the initial extent*min_extents is less than the optimal, yes you
> can
> shrink below optimal.
> 
> if initial*minextents = optimal, you can execute an alter rollback
> segment statement that lists a shrink size that is less than optimal
> AND less than initial*minextents and it will not fail. But if you
> LOOK
> at the size it shrinks to, it's initial*minextents.
> 
> so you can "kinda" shrink below optimal, the statement won't fail,
> but
> Oracle will ignore the number you give it.
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