>-Have another beer
Excellent advice. I think I'll do just that.
Dave
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yeah, yeah Chris, whatever.
Have another beer and do some creative writing.
;-{)
Jared
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Java this...PERL that....COBOL rules!!!! It's easy to write and
maintain...back to writing my book...
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It ain't that tough. We're not talking about taking a programming
class without any experience, I've done a bit of it before.
Learning all the API's, etc.: that would take some time.
The language? It isn't that difficult, though I would be
hard put to write any at the moment. The job I was going
to use Java on was at Enron, and we all know what happened
to that.
It's been a year since I took the class, and I *much* prefer
Perl. It can run circles around Java for most stuff.
Jared
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It took you a week to learn it? Then you obviously do not know it.
Syntax is one thing design is another. I would love to know what you
learned in that week.
On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jared Still wrote:
>
> Hold on Lisa!
>
> Java is not complex. It's a very simple language
> actually. It took me a week to learn it, though I'm
> not using it now: I much prefer Perl.
>
> Getting a handle on all of the libraries and API's is
> another story, but Java as a language is pretty simple.
>
> Jared
>
> On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:14, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
> > You have a point Chris, but pl/sql is nowhere near as complex as an OO
> > language like java or C++, IMHO. I agree with Tom that pl/sql can be
> > learned fairly easily in comparison to the many other choices out
there.
> > However, it takes a bit of database savvy to do it correctly. (Not
much
> > tho)
> >
> > I was amazed in my "database" class in college that the same people
failing
> > the simple entity-relationship modeling portion of the class that had
aced
> > the Op Systems and networking classes we took. I nearly failed both
> > classes, they were so complex. I was the teacher's pet in the db
class
> > because I asked him questions that made him think, and he sometimes
> > couldn't answer. (And I had to wear a skirt - night student, straight
from
> > work.)
> >
> > What's easy for who is dependent on the person's strengths.
> >
> > Lisa Koivu
> > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Grabowy, Chris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:14 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > Subject: RE: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > >
> > > IMHO, I don't believe that you can "properly" learn PL/SQL in a very
> > > short period of time, or for that matter, any other language.
> > >
> > > I attended Steve Feuerstein's presentation at MAOP-AOTC conference,
and
> > > he tore into many real-life examples of PL/SQL. Supposedly, these
were
> > > written
> > > by developers that knew what they were doing.
> > >
> > > Granted, if a smart developer sits down and reads Feuerstein's
Learning
> > > PL/SQL and Best Practices books, then perhaps they will be good. But
who
> > > the hell has free time? There is no free time on any project or
effort
> > > that
> > > I know of!! I'm struggling with trying to improve my Oracle DBA
skills,
> > > plus some developers skills so I can speak their language when they
blow
> > > out
> > > OPEN_CURSORS or something. My head is swimming in the stupid
technical
> > > alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath, SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB,
BC4J,
> > > JDBC,
> > > SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA, IIOP...and don't ask me
what
> > > all
> > > those mean, because I can't keep them straight. But I do keep
hearing
> > > that
> > > XML is going to put me out of a job, so I guess I should learn
> > > that...whatever that is. Isn't XML an add-on, or extension, or
something
> > > to
> > > DML???
> > >
> > > Now where the heck did I hide that bottle...
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > Lisa,
> > >
> > > You are right about the debate between PL/SQL & Java (or anything
else
> > > outside of the db).
> > >
> > > In my mind, the deciding factor (and something that is *never*
mentioned)
> > > is
> > > what programming langauage the organization is satisfied
with/settled
> > > upon.
> > >
> > > In my little opinion, *any* programmer can learn PL/SQL in a very
short
> > > period of time. This means that development and maintenance costs
are
> > > relatively low. If an IT shop is stronger in Java, then they should
> > > probably program in Java, or Cobol, or Ada, or whatever the flavor
of the
> > > decade happens to be (lets bring back APL!).
> > >
> > > IT tool selection/standards should be the deciding factor.
> > >
> > > Tom Mercadante
> > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:34 AM
> > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > >
> > >
> > > This is something that's been debated on the list in the past. The
> > > general
> > > consensus was:
> > >
> > > For manipulating data in the database, nothing beats pl/sql. It is
well
> > > suited for this purpose.
> > >
> > > For everything else, java could beat it.
> > >
> > > I am sure fellow list members will post links describing studies. I
> > > remember seeing these last year.
> > >
> > > Stefan, have you tried running your own test? There's a sure fire
way to
> > > convince yourself. Even a small test (no fancy code) would suffice.
> > > Wish I
> > > had more time to play...
> > >
> > > Lisa Koivu
> > > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Stefan Jahnke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject: AW: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > how about Java within Oracle. What do you think about it ?
> > > > When does it make sense to use Java instead of PL/SQL ?
> > > > The problem is that I dislike a mix of different languages
> > > > within an application. It messes things up.
> > > > But maybe it makes sense to use PL/SQL for most stuff and
> > > > Java for some specific things (perhaps accessing a file
> > > > or using a network resource ?).
> > > > As far as I know, there is an option to compile the Java into
> > > > platform dependend code, which would make it execute much faster
> > > > then bytecode (and PL/SQL?), since the later has to be interpreted
at
> > > > run-time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Any opinions ?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. April 2002 16:09
> > > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Betreff: Re:pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lisa,
> > > >
> > > > It is both true & false at the same time. Obviously any
anonymous
> > > > blocks
> > > > you submit to the database are fully interpreted. PL/SQL that you
> > > > store in
> > > > the
> > > > database as procedures, functions, and packages get partially
compiled
> > > > into
> > > > a
> > > > p-code. This makes the code ready for execution, but retains a
modular
> > > > design
> > > > so that if your DBA reloads catproc your code is not totally
destroyed.
> > > > Where I
> > > > think PL/SQL buys us a lot of performance is in reducing the
> > > > communications
> > > > outside of the database that is otherwise needed. There's no JDBC
> > >
> > > driver
> > >
> > > > or
> > > > other miscellaneous mess (like SQL*Net) required. It's all
handled
> > >
> > > inside
> > >
> > > > the
> > > > kernel. Now the bad part about PL/SQL that Java handles better is
> > > > platform
> > > > independence. You can run Java on your client, the apps server or
> > > > database
> > > > without a problem. PL/SQL on the other hand must be run in the
> > >
> > > database.
> > >
> > > > Dick Goulet
> > > >
> > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > > > Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Date: 4/29/2002 2:52 PM
> > > >
> > > > Can this be true? How can this be? If it's optimized to
manipulate
> > >
> > > data
> > >
> > > > within the database, how can it be fast if it's interpreted (like
that
> > > > slow
> > > > poke, Java)?
> > > >
> > > > I see this on Connor's website www.oracledba.co.uk under
> > >
> > > explicit/implicit
> > >
> > > > cursors, under pl/sql. What on earth?
> > > >
> > > > Can someone elaborate, namely, Connor?? Please help me understand
> > >
> > > this...
> > >
> > > > My "green" may be showing, but my gosh.
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Koivu
> > > > Oracle Database Baby Oven
> > > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063
> > > >
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