Please, someone.  Savor a thick and tasty Guinness for me...

I even had someone call my house wanting to do a survey on beer.  I laughed
at him and hung up.

Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database BABY OVEN
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Farnsworth, Dave [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:44 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:      RE: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> 
> >-Have another beer
> 
> Excellent advice.  I think I'll do just that.
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:29 PM
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> 
> 
> yeah, yeah Chris, whatever.
> 
> Have another beer and do some creative writing.
> 
> ;-{)
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> "Grabowy, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> 
> Java this...PERL that....COBOL rules!!!! It's easy to write and
> maintain...back to writing my book...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:14 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> It ain't that tough.  We're not talking about taking a programming
> class without any experience, I've done a bit of it before.
> 
> Learning all the API's, etc.: that would take some time.
> 
> The language?  It isn't that difficult, though I would be 
> hard put to write any at the moment.  The job I was going
> to use Java on was at Enron, and we all know what happened
> to that.
> 
> It's been a year since I took the class, and I *much* prefer
> Perl.  It can run circles around Java for most stuff.
> 
> Jared
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>         Subject:        Re: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> 
> 
> It took you a week to learn it? Then you obviously do not know it. 
> Syntax is one thing design is another. I would love to know what you
> learned in that week.
>  
> 
> On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jared Still wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hold on Lisa!
> > 
> > Java is not complex.  It's a very simple language
> > actually.  It took me a week to learn it, though I'm 
> > not using it now:  I much prefer Perl.
> > 
> > Getting a handle on all of the libraries and API's is
> > another story, but Java as a language is pretty simple.
> > 
> > Jared
> > 
> > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:14, Koivu, Lisa wrote:
> > > You have a point Chris, but pl/sql is nowhere near as complex as an OO
> > > language like java or C++, IMHO.  I agree with Tom that pl/sql can be
> > > learned fairly easily in comparison to the many other choices out 
> there.
> > > However, it takes a bit of database savvy to do it correctly.  (Not 
> much
> > > tho)
> > >
> > > I was amazed in my "database" class in college that the same people 
> failing
> > > the simple entity-relationship modeling portion of the class that had 
> aced
> > > the Op Systems and networking classes we took.  I nearly failed both
> > > classes, they were so complex.  I was the teacher's pet in the db 
> class
> > > because I asked him questions that made him think, and he sometimes
> > > couldn't answer.  (And I had to wear a skirt - night student, straight
> 
> 
> from
> > > work.)
> > >
> > > What's easy for who is dependent on the person's strengths.
> > >
> > > Lisa Koivu
> > > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From:              Grabowy, Chris [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent:              Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:14 PM
> > > > To:                Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > Subject:           RE: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > > >
> > > > IMHO, I don't believe that you can "properly" learn PL/SQL in a very
> > > > short period of time, or for that matter, any other language.
> > > >
> > > > I attended Steve Feuerstein's presentation at MAOP-AOTC conference, 
> and
> > > > he tore into many real-life examples of PL/SQL.  Supposedly, these 
> were
> > > > written
> > > > by developers that knew what they were doing.
> > > >
> > > > Granted, if a smart developer sits down and reads Feuerstein's 
> Learning
> > > > PL/SQL and Best Practices books, then perhaps they will be good. But
> 
> 
> who
> > > > the hell has free time?  There is no free time on any project or 
> effort
> > > > that
> > > > I know of!!  I'm struggling with trying to improve my Oracle DBA 
> skills,
> > > > plus some developers skills so I can speak their language when they 
> blow
> > > > out
> > > > OPEN_CURSORS or something.  My head is swimming in the stupid 
> technical
> > > > alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath, SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB, 
> BC4J,
> > > > JDBC,
> > > > SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA, IIOP...and don't ask me 
> what
> > > > all
> > > > those mean, because I can't keep them straight.  But I do keep 
> hearing
> > > > that
> > > > XML is going to put me out of a job, so I guess I should learn
> > > > that...whatever that is.  Isn't XML an add-on, or extension, or 
> something
> > > > to
> > > > DML???
> > > >
> > > > Now where the heck did I hide that bottle...
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Lisa,
> > > >
> > > > You are right about the debate between PL/SQL & Java (or anything 
> else
> > > > outside of the db).
> > > >
> > > > In my mind, the deciding factor (and something that is *never* 
> mentioned)
> > > > is
> > > > what programming langauage the organization is satisfied 
> with/settled
> > > > upon.
> > > >
> > > > In my little opinion, *any* programmer can learn PL/SQL in a very 
> short
> > > > period of time.  This means that development and maintenance costs 
> are
> > > > relatively low.  If an IT shop is stronger in Java, then they should
> > > > probably program in Java, or Cobol, or Ada, or whatever the flavor 
> of the
> > > > decade happens to be (lets bring back APL!).
> > > >
> > > > IT tool selection/standards should be the deciding factor.
> > > >
> > > > Tom Mercadante
> > > > Oracle Certified Professional
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 11:34 AM
> > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This is something that's been debated on the list in the past.  The
> > > > general
> > > > consensus was:
> > > >
> > > > For manipulating data in the database, nothing beats pl/sql.  It is 
> well
> > > > suited for this purpose.
> > > >
> > > > For everything else, java could beat it.
> > > >
> > > > I am sure fellow list members will post links describing studies.  I
> > > > remember seeing these last year.
> > > >
> > > > Stefan, have you tried running your own test?  There's a sure fire 
> way to
> > > > convince yourself.  Even a small test (no fancy code) would suffice.
> 
> 
> 
> > > > Wish I
> > > > had more time to play...
> > > >
> > > > Lisa Koivu
> > > > Oracle Database Monkey Mama
> > > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From:            Stefan Jahnke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent:            Tuesday, April 30, 2002 10:49 AM
> > > > > To:              Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Subject:                 AW: pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > how about Java within Oracle. What do you think about it ?
> > > > > When does it make sense to use Java instead of PL/SQL ?
> > > > > The problem is that I dislike a mix of different languages
> > > > > within an application. It messes things up.
> > > > > But maybe it makes sense to use PL/SQL for most stuff and
> > > > > Java for some specific things (perhaps accessing a file
> > > > > or using a network resource ?).
> > > > > As far as I know, there is an option to compile the Java into
> > > > > platform dependend code, which would make it execute much faster
> > > > > then bytecode (and PL/SQL?), since the later has to be interpreted
> 
> 
> at
> > > > > run-time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Any opinions ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
> > > > > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Gesendet: Dienstag, 30. April 2002 16:09
> > > > > An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > > > > Betreff: Re:pl/sql is INTERPRETED?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lisa,
> > > > >
> > > > >     It is both true & false at the same time.  Obviously any 
> anonymous
> > > > > blocks
> > > > > you submit to the database are fully interpreted.  PL/SQL that you
> > > > > store in
> > > > > the
> > > > > database as procedures, functions, and packages get partially 
> compiled
> > > > > into
> > > > > a
> > > > > p-code.  This makes the code ready for execution, but retains a 
> modular
> > > > > design
> > > > > so that if your DBA reloads catproc your code is not totally 
> destroyed.
> > > > > Where I
> > > > > think PL/SQL buys us a lot of performance is in reducing the
> > > > > communications
> > > > > outside of the database that is otherwise needed.  There's no JDBC
> > > >
> > > > driver
> > > >
> > > > > or
> > > > > other miscellaneous mess (like SQL*Net) required.  It's all 
> handled
> > > >
> > > > inside
> > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > > kernel.  Now the bad part about PL/SQL that Java handles better is
> > > > > platform
> > > > > independence.  You can run Java on your client, the apps server or
> > > > > database
> > > > > without a problem.  PL/SQL on the other hand must be run in the
> > > >
> > > > database.
> > > >
> > > > > Dick Goulet
> > > > >
> > > > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________
> > > > > Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > Date:       4/29/2002 2:52 PM
> > > > >
> > > > > Can this be true?  How can this be?  If it's optimized to 
> manipulate
> > > >
> > > > data
> > > >
> > > > > within the database, how can it be fast if it's interpreted (like 
> that
> > > > > slow
> > > > > poke, Java)?
> > > > >
> > > > > I see this on Connor's website www.oracledba.co.uk under
> > > >
> > > > explicit/implicit
> > > >
> > > > > cursors, under pl/sql.  What on earth?
> > > > >
> > > > > Can someone elaborate, namely, Connor??  Please help me understand
> > > >
> > > > this...
> > > >
> > > > > My "green" may be showing, but my gosh.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lisa Koivu
> > > > > Oracle Database Baby Oven
> > > > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> > > > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway
> > > > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA  33063
> > > > >
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