I used to work with Jared. He just has 'The Gift'. For those of us who are mere mortals it takes a little longer :-)
--- Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You must be pretty smart then. I wonder why rates > for java are not $6/hr > seeing that it only takes a week to learn. > You could probably say any language is easy to > learn; it is just ifs, > elses, and loops. > > On Thu, 2 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > It ain't that tough. We're not talking about > taking a programming > > class without any experience, I've done a bit of > it before. > > > > Learning all the API's, etc.: that would take some > time. > > > > The language? It isn't that difficult, though I > would be > > hard put to write any at the moment. The job I > was going > > to use Java on was at Enron, and we all know what > happened > > to that. > > > > It's been a year since I took the class, and I > *much* prefer > > Perl. It can run circles around Java for most > stuff. > > > > Jared > > > > > > > > > > > > Alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 05/02/2002 08:23 AM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Subject: Re: pl/sql is INTERPRETED? > > > > > > It took you a week to learn it? Then you obviously > do not know it. > > Syntax is one thing design is another. I would > love to know what you > > learned in that week. > > > > > > On Thu, 2 May 2002, Jared Still wrote: > > > > > > > > Hold on Lisa! > > > > > > Java is not complex. It's a very simple > language > > > actually. It took me a week to learn it, though > I'm > > > not using it now: I much prefer Perl. > > > > > > Getting a handle on all of the libraries and > API's is > > > another story, but Java as a language is pretty > simple. > > > > > > Jared > > > > > > On Tuesday 30 April 2002 11:14, Koivu, Lisa > wrote: > > > > You have a point Chris, but pl/sql is nowhere > near as complex as an OO > > > > language like java or C++, IMHO. I agree with > Tom that pl/sql can be > > > > learned fairly easily in comparison to the > many other choices out > > there. > > > > However, it takes a bit of database savvy to > do it correctly. (Not > > much > > > > tho) > > > > > > > > I was amazed in my "database" class in college > that the same people > > failing > > > > the simple entity-relationship modeling > portion of the class that had > > aced > > > > the Op Systems and networking classes we took. > I nearly failed both > > > > classes, they were so complex. I was the > teacher's pet in the db > > class > > > > because I asked him questions that made him > think, and he sometimes > > > > couldn't answer. (And I had to wear a skirt - > night student, straight > > from > > > > work.) > > > > > > > > What's easy for who is dependent on the > person's strengths. > > > > > > > > Lisa Koivu > > > > Oracle Database Monkey Mama > > > > Fairfield Resorts, Inc. > > > > 5259 Coconut Creek Parkway > > > > Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA 33063 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Grabowy, Chris > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 > 1:14 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of > list ORACLE-L > > > > > Subject: RE: pl/sql is > INTERPRETED? > > > > > > > > > > IMHO, I don't believe that you can > "properly" learn PL/SQL in a very > > > > > short period of time, or for that matter, > any other language. > > > > > > > > > > I attended Steve Feuerstein's presentation > at MAOP-AOTC conference, > > and > > > > > he tore into many real-life examples of > PL/SQL. Supposedly, these > > were > > > > > written > > > > > by developers that knew what they were > doing. > > > > > > > > > > Granted, if a smart developer sits down and > reads Feuerstein's > > Learning > > > > > PL/SQL and Best Practices books, then > perhaps they will be good. But > > who > > > > > the hell has free time? There is no free > time on any project or > > effort > > > > > that > > > > > I know of!! I'm struggling with trying to > improve my Oracle DBA > > skills, > > > > > plus some developers skills so I can speak > their language when they > > blow > > > > > out > > > > > OPEN_CURSORS or something. My head is > swimming in the stupid > > technical > > > > > alphabet soup, XML, XDK, XSQL, XSLT, XPath, > SOAP, ASP, ADO, EJB, > > BC4J, > > > > > JDBC, > > > > > SQLJ, PSP, JVM, JSP, J2EE, EAD, RMI, CORBA, > IIOP...and don't ask me > > what > > > > > all > > > > > those mean, because I can't keep them > straight. But I do keep > > hearing > > > > > that > > > > > XML is going to put me out of a job, so I > guess I should learn > > > > > that...whatever that is. Isn't XML an > add-on, or extension, or > > something > > > > > to > > > > > DML??? > > > > > > > > > > Now where the heck did I hide that bottle... > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 12:15 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lisa, > > > > > > > > > > You are right about the debate between > PL/SQL & Java (or anything > > else > > > > > outside of the db). > > > > > > > > > > In my mind, the deciding factor (and > something that is *never* > > mentioned) > > > > > is > > > > > what programming langauage the organization > is satisfied > > with/settled > > > > > upon. > === message truncated === ===== Pete Barnett Lead Database Administrator The Regence Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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