jack, I substitute the fact that I know stuff instead of taking a test Rachel
--- Jack Silvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, > > So, you substitute books and presentations in place of > the OCP? This sounds like we are in agreement in > principle... > > <;) > > jack > > > > --- Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > okay, I realize this won't work for everyone on this > > list but... > > > > I hand them my resume. the third page of which is > > FILLED with lists of > > presentations I have given, awards I have gotten for > > presentations I > > have given and books I have written > > > > if they STILL want me to have OCP on my resume after > > that, I don't want > > to work there anyway > > > > --- Jack Silvey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The question is, are you going to allow your > > > clearminded moral stance and total disdain for a > > > thinly veiled DBA tax to interfere with your > > pursuit > > > of filth lucre? *I* ain't! > > > > > > ;) > > > > > > It is just another hoop to jump through so that a > > > hring manager can say "that is an impressive hoop > > you > > > jumped through" and you can respond "yes, and I > > can > > > jump through some hoops for you too" and allow > > them to > > > say "here is an outrageous sum of money to work on > > our > > > computers." > > > > > > I love this job. > > > > > > jack silvey > > > ocp 7.3, 8.0, 8i, 9i > > > > > > > > > --- Don Granaman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > They aren't - unless it exceeds a non-trivial > > > > percentage (6%? 7%? more? I > > > > can't remember now...) of their income and is > > > > "required" (?). > > > > > > > > This new requirement for OCP is just another in > > a > > > > long line of > > > > propaganda/baloney from Oracle in its > > never-ending > > > > attempts to suck up every > > > > buck it possibly can. [Oracle likes $$$$$. HR > > > > likes mindless checklist > > > > items. It is a match made in heaven.] I > > thought > > > > that the "need practically > > > > any two ILT classes, no matter how irrelevant" > > 9i > > > > OCM was going to be the > > > > limit of extending the the greedy grab for OCP > > bucks > > > > - for 9i at least. > > > > This isn't about certification anymore (as if it > > > > ever was), its about > > > > revenue. > > > > > > > > Since this "new requirement" (for the moment at > > > > least) doesn't apply to > > > > upgrade from an 8i certification, does anyone > > know > > > > if there is (or soon will > > > > be) a new constraint/surprise/ambush limiting > > that > > > > to 8i OCP obtained prior > > > > to, oh say, June 15, 2002? September 2002? > > > > > > > > Don Granaman > > > > [OraSaurus - with more disdain than ever for the > > > > evil vampire Larry's OCP > > > > DBA tax] > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:23 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought employees were not allowed to write > > > > things off as business > > > > > expenses... > > > > > > > > > > Confusedly yours, > > > > > Patrice Boivin > > > > > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:13 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, > > yet > > > > again > > > > > > > > > > Are you trying to promote it? > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:50 PM > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am seriously considering pursuing one, since > > it > > > > can > > > > > be sold to hiring managers as a sign of > > > > professional > > > > > competence. > > > > > > > > > > Look at it from a cost/benefit ratio > > standpoint. > > > > Will > > > > > someone with this cerifification make $2000 > > more > > > > over > > > > > her professional life than she would without? > > > > > > > > > > So it takes a round trip ticket and three days > > of > > > > > vacation. Get the company to pay for it or > > write > > > > it > > > > > off as a business expense. > > > > > > > > > > Good investment, easy money, instant > > credibility > > > > to > > > > > many hiring managers. > > > > > > > > > > jack silvey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19 Jun 2002 at 4:38, Ron Rogers wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Date sent: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:38:18 > > -0800 > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list > > > > > > ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems that our list has made mention in > > > > this > > > > > > report from > > > > > > > Searchdatabase.com. And Oracle is trying > > to > > > > > > justify the $2000 expence. > > > > > > > If I read this correct the $2000 is for 9i > > > > OCP. > > > > > > > ======= > > > > > > > LEAD STORY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ORACLE FUELS CERTIFICATION CONTROVERSY | > > > > > > SearchDatabase > > > > > > > Oracle has a new requirement for its > > potential > > > > > > certified > > > > > > > professionals, and the price tag is about > > > > $2,000. > > > > > > Many DBAs aren't > > > > > > > happy about the new policy but Oracle says > > the > > > > > > class makes their > > > > > > > certification more valuable than ever. > > Read > > > > the > > > > > > details of the new > > > > > > > mandate, and what DBAs and industry > > experts > > > > have > > > > > > to say about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For the full details, click: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.searchdatabase.com/originalContent/0,289142,sid13_gci833782,00.ht > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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