OK. As the DBA Focus Area Manager for the
IOUG, we do our best to weed out the fluff. If you were at IOUG this year, you
should have noticed a significant reduction in the marketing fluff and more
technical content. Yes, some
showmanship is necessary when giving a presentation, but the content has to be
there.
Many
people on this forum have submitted presentations to my track and then
complained that they were not accepted.
Let me give you some concrete numbers. This year, we received over 400
abstracts for the DBA track alone and accepted only 80. If one slips through the cracks, it
won’t a second time. Believe me
when I say that 2002 was the best content-organized IOUG.
Further
comments? Submit an abstract for
2003 and find out!!!
Thank
You
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unfortunately, I've seen this
to be true at
many conferences, including the IOUG
and SEOUC.
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cert, yet again
I'll bet a dynamic animated
speaker chockful of amusing anecdotes whose presentation is technically weak
scores better than a plodding monotonous one with better information to convey
:) Especialy if the audience is composed of nascent DBA's
:)
Ian
MacGregor
Stanford Linear Accelerator
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one being a marketing venue,
the other being a place where you can
learn from ohers
experiences.
and to clarify further, if
you are a lousy presenter, giving bad
information, you get horrible scores and,
since the selection process
is not blind, don't get asked back to
present again.
So having a list of many
presentations, at various conferences, can be
an indicator of
knowledge.
--- "Karniotis, Stephen"
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> Let me clarify
something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A
> Live
> where these
presentations were made. Please do not confuse the
two!!
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P.
Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware
Corporation
>
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>
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> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41
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Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet
again
>
> A tip o' the hat to all authors and
presenters. However writing a
> book
> makes no one an expert
on anything. There are Oracle books
> containing
> fabulous stories of what
happens when a tablespace is put in backup
> mode,
> and while quite
entertaining they do not further a correct
> understanding of
> Oracle. Authors
take the time to put what they believe to be true on
>
paper.
> It's often what they have been told,
not what they have learned on
> their
> own. Richard
Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
>
because
> they tout buffer hit ratios; however
there was a consensus in the
> Oracle
> community that these
were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> and a
new
> tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja
Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar Deshpande,
> and
> John Kostelac Jr. to
direct us to something more useful. Personally,
> I was
> using wait events before
Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
> the hit
> ratio's high as a part
of the "consensus". If I had written a book
>
before
> seeing Cary's
paper!
> !
> , it
> would have touted hit
ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> Performance
> Tuning" is a perfect
book; it doesn't properly address data
>
collection
> needs.
>
> Why would authorship and
presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> The OCP
> says that you have
achieved a standard. One can debate whether that
> standard has any
meaning. There is no standard at all for
>
authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders
know
> far
> less than their
certificate would indicate, and some authors are more
>
expert
> than their books convey. A good
author of Oracle tomes and
> presentations
> needs a clearer
understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
> Good
> authors hold themselves
to higher standards than needed to be called
> an
OCP.
> I just want to point out that not all
authors are good authors, and
> that
> there are OCP holders
who have not written books that are as if not
> more
> knowlegeable than
most authors. There are people who have done
> neither
who
> know as much if not more than
both.
>
> The OCM was introduced for two
reasons. Oracle is in business to
> make money
> and wanted another
revenue stream, and the standards one must meet to
>
become
> an OCP were being
questioned. Unfortunately at last years IOUG-A
> conference the six
people who were given their OCM's were touted as
> the
six
> most knowledgeable Oracle experts in
th world. The awardees did not
> include
> Gaja, nor Kirti, nor
Anjo Kolk, nor Steve Adams, nor Jonathan Lewis,
> nor
Guy
> Harrison, nor Larry Elkins...
Indeed only one person on the awarded
> the
> OCM would I have placed
in any top six list, and that's Paul Dorsey
> who is
> extremely knowlegeable
concerning Oracle's development tools. There
>
were
> some awardees I know nothing
about. Despite this over-the-top
> rollout, the
> OCM under proper care
could become a certification with real meaning,
> by
> that I mean more
important than being an author or a presenter
>
>
> Ian
MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Acclerator
Center
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> Rachel has really baiting me on this
one, as she is well aware of my
> position on certifications,
especially Oracle's. I watched some of
> this
> thread start and
laughed.
>
> Vendor-sponsored certifications are
no more valuable to the
> marketplace than
> the software they claim
is 100% bug free. This is especially true
> when
the
> vendor "pushes" the certification out
to the market for next to
> nothing and
> then complains that the
industry sees no value in it because SOOOOOO
> many
> people have it.
Who's to blame for that. Why do you think Microsoft
> reduced the number of
organizations that offer MCS* certifications?
> There
> are TOOOO MANY.
Our company offered MCS* certifications, including a
> complete training
program, as required and it brought NO VALUE.
>
> Look at companies like
Novell, etc. Originally, Novel's
> certifications,
> CNA, CNE, & CNAE,
were offered at a high cost and only the few and
> proud
had
> obtained it. The original
certification exams, CSP, CCP, etc. that
> were
> offered by third-party
institutes have also lost their value as
> anyone with
> a book and time can pass
them. It's too bad because certifications
> DID
mean
> something in the 1980s and early
1990s.
>
> Oracle is crying in its own spoiled
milk on this one. They caused
> the
> problem and now they are
trying to fix it by ramming a new program
> down our
> throats. Think
about it folks. You have to pay an additional $ 2000
> for
> what? The only
reason people will take this ridiculous path is to
> achieve
a
> higher level in the Oracle Partner
Program. No More. No less.
>
> If you really think that having an
OCM or OCP or other certification
> is
> going to make the
difference in you getting a job, you have REAL
>
problems.
> As far as Rachel substituting books
and presentations for
> certifications, I
> agree with her. As
a personal friend of hers ( I hope still after
> this
long
> email), I also do not have my
certification because my experience
> shows:
> 25+ presentations around
the world, recognized industry expert, and
> 17+
> years doing the
job.
>
> OK. I'm off the soap box.
Get off the certification box now before
> it
> collapses and Oracle
builds another one. You know: If Oracle would
> concentrate on building
better quality software with the time spent
> on this
> stupid certification
program, all of us would be better off!
>
> Thank You
>
> Stephen P.
Karniotis
> Product Architect
> Compuware
Corporation
>
Direct: (248) 865-4350
>
Mobile: (248) 408-2918
>
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