But Rachel, you never came to any of my
presentations!!!!! (in my best whiney voice)
At least you'll get to see me present in July at OOUG.
----
Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
We have enough youth.
How about a fountain of intelligence?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rachel Carmichael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
that's 'cause you present well and have knowledge
or.. to quote one of my favorite shows:
"he has much knowledge. we must build an altar and worship him"
:)
--- "Adams, Matthew (GEA, MABG, 088130)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Actually, I had to miss this years (even though I was orginally
> schedule
> to give two presentations) due to a medical situation. I gave four
> the
> year
> before that.
>
>
> ----
> Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> We have enough youth.
> How about a fountain of intelligence?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 1:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> OK. As the DBA Focus Area Manager for the IOUG, we do our best to
> weed out
> the fluff. If you were at IOUG this year, you should have noticed a
> significant reduction in the marketing fluff and more technical
> content.
> Yes, some showmanship is necessary when giving a presentation, but
> the
> content has to be there.
>
>
>
> Many people on this forum have submitted presentations to my track
> and then
> complained that they were not accepted. Let me give you some
> concrete
> numbers. This year, we received over 400 abstracts for the DBA track
> alone
> and accepted only 80. If one slips through the cracks, it won't a
> second
> time. Believe me when I say that 2002 was the best content-organized
> IOUG.
>
>
>
>
> Further comments? Submit an abstract for 2003 and find out!!!
>
>
>
> Thank You
>
>
>
> Stephen P. Karniotis
>
> Product Architect
>
> Compuware Corporation
>
> Direct: (248) 865-4350
>
> Mobile: (248) 408-2918
>
> Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Web: www.compuware.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 12:39 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> unfortunately, I've seen this to be true at
> many conferences, including the IOUG
> and SEOUC.
>
> ----
> Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Doing linear scans over an associative array is like
> trying to club someone to death with a loaded Uzi."
> - Larry Wall (creator of Perl)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:54 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> I'll bet a dynamic animated speaker chockful of amusing anecdotes
> whose
> presentation is technically weak scores better than a plodding
> monotonous
> one with better information to convey :) Especialy if the audience
> is
> composed of nascent DBA's :)
>
> Ian MacGregor
> Stanford Linear Accelerator Center
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:09 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
>
> one being a marketing venue, the other being a place where you can
> learn from ohers experiences.
>
> and to clarify further, if you are a lousy presenter, giving bad
> information, you get horrible scores and, since the selection process
>
> is not blind, don't get asked back to present again.
>
> So having a list of many presentations, at various conferences, can
> be
> an indicator of knowledge.
>
>
>
> --- "Karniotis, Stephen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Let me clarify something. It was at Oracle Open World, not IOUG-A
> > Live
> > where these presentations were made. Please do not confuse the
> two!!
> >
> > Thank You
> >
> > Stephen P. Karniotis
> > Product Architect
> > Compuware Corporation
> > Direct: (248) 865-4350
> > Mobile: (248) 408-2918
> > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Web: www.compuware.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 5:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: RE: the ora certified masters cert, yet again
> >
> > A tip o' the hat to all authors and presenters. However writing a
> > book
> > makes no one an expert on anything. There are Oracle books
> > containing
> > fabulous stories of what happens when a tablespace is put in backup
>
> > mode,
> > and while quite entertaining they do not further a correct
> > understanding of
> > Oracle. Authors take the time to put what they believe to be true
> on
> > paper.
> > It's often what they have been told, not what they have learned on
> > their
> > own. Richard Niemiec's sp? tuning books have been trashed recently
>
> > because
> > they tout buffer hit ratios; however there was a consensus in the
> > Oracle
> > community that these were important. It took Cary Millsap's paper
> > and a new
> > tuning paradigm introduced by Gaja Vaidyanatha, Kirtikumar
> Deshpande,
> > and
> > John Kostelac Jr. to direct us to something more useful.
> Personally,
> > I was
> > using wait events before Gaja's book, but I was also trying to keep
>
> > the hit
> > ratio's high as a part of the "consensus". If I had written a book
>
> > before
> > seeing Cary's paper!
> > !
> > , it
> > would have touted hit ratios. I don't believe "Oracle 101
> > Performance
> > Tuning" is a perfect book; it doesn't properly address data
> > collection
> > needs.
> >
> > Why would authorship and presentations be worth more than an OCP?
> > The OCP
> > says that you have achieved a standard. One can debate whether
> that
> > standard has any meaning. There is no standard at all for
> > authors/presenters. It does seem however that many OCP holders
> know
> > far
> > less than their certificate would indicate, and some authors are
> more
> > expert
> > than their books convey. A good author of Oracle tomes and
> > presentations
> > needs a clearer understanding of the subject matter than an OCP.
>
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