If India and Pakistan go to war. Or, China tries to retake Taiwan you will see this reverse real fast.
Ken ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:14 AM > Tim, > > I regret to have to agree with you. More of the IT jobs are & will be moving to overseas locations until those locations prove that they cannot support US operations for one reason or other. I believe it is just an effort by unintelligent CEO, CIO, and CFO's to save a buck today. What we'll end up with is a number of large companies that are trying to sell products to a lot of unemployed middle class people who won't open their wallets. What's the old saying, penny wise pound foolish? As in save a penny here drop a dollar there. > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:54 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects DBAs! > Support of production systems is only one part of the job, and the > outsourcing of application development to another physical location then > necessarily outsources the systems/database administration with it. How > many huge application development projects do you see in the US these days? > > There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving overseas, > it is a trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing sector > did, for obvious reasons. There is lighter equipment to move. > > It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping when > you are treading water. Until your feet touch bottom... > > > > on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is > > encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always > > advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than available > > candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their positions. > > When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often find > > that people are seeking out the opening before they post it. > > > > Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999 > > corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe didn't > > occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior executives > > felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally > > declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we are > > just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the extravagant > > dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much development > > work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA work > > yet? > > > > Dennis Williams > > DBA > > Lifetouch, Inc. > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions (although > > that is part of the answer) as most medium to large companies don't use > > newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for > > technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do their > > recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this > > definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the past > > couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail service that > > sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So, why > > waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday? > > > > My $0.02 worth, > > > > Ken Janusz, CPIM > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM > > > > > >> I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job postings, > > two > >> years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I tend to > >> see one or two, or none. > >> > >> For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if they > > still > >> do that or how successful they now are. > >> > >> The market has really shrunk in two years! > >> > >> There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It must > > be > >> a reduction in demand because companies are not making big infrastructure > >> changes anymore. > >> > >> Patrice. > >> -- > >> Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > >> -- > >> Author: Boivin, Patrice J > >> INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > >> San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > >> to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > >> the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > >> (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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