Wun Hung Lo
Orr, Steve wrote:
Usually these kind of customers don't actually meet the live DBA's in person so there's gotta be a hack work-around solution to this. Here's what I propose: Setup a domain name with and ISP that has an overseas address. Then setup an Apache virtual host that redirects to your own operations. Adopt pseudonymns with ethnic sounding names reflecting the ISP overseas address. A good place to setup shop would be someplace like Montana. Anyone want to join me in this venture?
Steve, er uh, Gerhardt Mohammad Lee Kim,
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 10:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Tim,
I regret to have to agree with you. More of the IT jobs are & will be moving to overseas locations until those locations prove that they cannot support US operations for one reason or other. I believe it is just an effort by unintelligent CEO, CIO, and CFO's to save a buck today. What we'll end up with is a number of large companies that are trying to sell products to a lot of unemployed middle class people who won't open their wallets. What's the old saying, penny wise pound foolish? As in save a penny here drop a dollar there.
Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 11:54 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects DBAs! Support of production systems is only one part of the job, and the outsourcing of application development to another physical location then necessarily outsources the systems/database administration with it. How many huge application development projects do you see in the US these days?
There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving overseas, it is a trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing sector did, for obvious reasons. There is lighter equipment to move.
It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping when you are treading water. Until your feet touch bottom...
on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than available candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their positions. When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often find that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999 corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe didn't occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior executives felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we are just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the extravagant dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much development work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA work yet?
Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 9:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions (although that is part of the answer) as most medium to large companies don't use newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do their recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the past couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail service that sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So, why waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
My $0.02 worth,
Ken Janusz, CPIM
----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:34 AM
I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job postings,two
years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I tend to see one or two, or none.still
For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if they
do that or how successful they now are.be
The market has really shrunk in two years!
There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It must
a reduction in demand because companies are not making big infrastructure changes anymore.
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