Tim,
I regret to have to agree with you. More of the IT jobs are & will be moving
to overseas locations until those locations prove that they cannot support US
operations for one reason or other. I believe it is just an effort by unintelligent
CEO, CIO, and CFO's to save a buck today. What we'll end up with is a number of large
companies that are trying to sell products to a lot of unemployed middle class people
who won't open their wallets. What's the old saying, penny wise pound foolish? As in
save a penny here drop a dollar there.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects DBAs!
Support of production systems is only one part of the job, and the
outsourcing of application development to another physical location then
necessarily outsources the systems/database administration with it. How
many huge application development projects do you see in the US these days?
There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving overseas,
it is a trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing sector
did, for obvious reasons. There is lighter equipment to move.
It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping when
you are treading water. Until your feet touch bottom...
on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always
> advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than available
> candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill their positions.
> When there are more candidates than available jobs, companies often find
> that people are seeking out the opening before they post it.
>
> Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe didn't
> occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the senior executives
> felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we are
> just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the extravagant
> dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how much development
> work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA work
> yet?
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
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>
>
> I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions (although
> that is part of the answer) as most medium to large companies don't use
> newspaper ads anymore. They are using the internet (especially for
> technical jobs) and are signed up with Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do their
> recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this
> definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the past
> couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail service that
> sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your specs. So, why
> waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear every Sunday?
>
> My $0.02 worth,
>
> Ken Janusz, CPIM
>
>
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>
>> I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job postings,
> two
>> years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I tend to
>> see one or two, or none.
>>
>> For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if they
> still
>> do that or how successful they now are.
>>
>> The market has really shrunk in two years!
>>
>> There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It must
> be
>> a reduction in demand because companies are not making big infrastructure
>> changes anymore.
>>
>> Patrice.
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