I used to work for Sabeer Bhatia. He's the guy that did Hotmail and sold it to
Microsoft for $400,000,000.00. (Much of the deal was in MS stock when it was quite
lower.) I worked for Sabeer at a Silicon Valley dot.com startup. He was generous to
folks "back home" and there were some Indian businesses he helped fund but his main
activity was still in the US. I always wondered why he didn't go back and start a
business in India but maybe he became addicted to the American way of life and his
fast Italian sports cars. ;-)
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One thing which most of the people have assumed on this thread
is that since the labour is cheap, it is necessarily inefficient and incompetent. The
reason the labour comes cheap in India is cos living costs r very cheap too. The best
paid executives in India get paid around 100,000 Indian Rupees a month which would be
just a little less than $2500. With that kind of money, anybody
in India would live like a king....fancy cars, house servants, fancy apartments et al.
And quite a few highly qualified executives are paid less than the amount I mentioned.
This is the reason companies are now going in for outsourcing as investment costs
are pretty lower in all respects in India.....right from setting up of the
infrastructure.
Samir
Samir Sarkar
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Reminds me of when IBM decided to keep the Aptiva line, built in Mexico, and killed
the Ambra line of PCs, built in Canada... My mother owned an Aptiva, I owned an Ambra
-- In my opinion the Aptivas had many more problems than the Ambras did.
In the end IBM decided to kill the Ambra line because (I suppose) on the budget sheets
it looked like the right thing to do. In the short run at least. Perhaps someone got
a promotion out of that decision.
Now Dell seems to be doing OK...
Patrice.
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Tim,
I regret to have to agree with you. More of the IT jobs are & will be moving
to overseas locations until those locations prove that they cannot support US
operations for one reason or other. I believe it is just an effort by unintelligent
CEO, CIO, and CFO's to save a buck today. What we'll end up with is a number of large
companies that are trying to sell products to a lot of unemployed middle class people
who won't open their wallets. What's the old saying, penny wise pound foolish? As in
save a penny here drop a dollar there.
Dick Goulet
Senior Oracle DBA
Oracle Certified 8i DBA
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Of course the shipment of "development work" out of the US affects DBAs! Support of
production systems is only one part of the job, and the outsourcing of application
development to another physical location then necessarily outsources the
systems/database administration with it. How many huge application development
projects do you see in the US these days?
There is no "cherry picking". The IT industry in the US is moving overseas, it is a
trend, and it will move much faster than the manufacturing sector did, for obvious
reasons. There is lighter equipment to move.
It is difficult to tell that the water level in the lake is dropping when you are
treading water. Until your feet touch bottom...
on 8/14/03 8:24 AM, DENNIS WILLIAMS at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Ken - Since you've recently changed jobs, your upbeat attitude is
> encouraging. I think you've made a good point that jobs aren't always
> advertised. Another point is that when there are more jobs than
> available candidates, companies have to advertise strongly to fill
> their positions. When there are more candidates than available jobs,
> companies often find that people are seeking out the opening before
> they post it.
>
> Patrice - Look at what happened over the previous years. In 1999
> corporations spent wildly on I.T. (naturally when the catastrophe
> didn't occur because of the tireless efforts of I.T. people, the
> senior
executives
> felt the money was wasted). Then when spending would have naturally
> declined, the dot-com madness stuck and things went wild. I think we
> are just about to come out of the natural down cycle due to the
> extravagant dot-com spending. But now I keep seeing articles about how
> much
development
> work is being sent overseas. Has anyone seen that affect Oracle DBA
> work yet?
>
> Dennis Williams
> DBA
> Lifetouch, Inc.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
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>
>
> I don't think it has as much to do with no available positions
> (although that is part of the answer) as most medium to large
> companies don't use newspaper ads anymore. They are using the
> internet (especially for technical jobs) and are signed up with
> Monster, BrassRing, etc. to do
their
> recruiting for them from their own company web sites. I've seen this
> definite shift here in the Minneapolis / St. Paul, MN area over the
> past couple of years. Most of these companies also provide e-mail
> service that sends you an email when a job is posted that meets your
> specs. So, why waste your time on newspaper ads that only appear
> every Sunday?
>
> My $0.02 worth,
>
> Ken Janusz, CPIM
>
>
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>
>> I've been keeping an eye on the Boston Globe's Oracle DBA job
>> postings,
> two
>> years ago it wasn't uncommon to see eight or more per week, now I
>> tend to see one or two, or none.
>>
>> For a while they also announced big IT job fairs, I don't know if
>> they
> still
>> do that or how successful they now are.
>>
>> The market has really shrunk in two years!
>>
>> There can't be a huge glut of DBAs out there looking for work... It
>> must
> be
>> a reduction in demand because companies are not making big
>> infrastructure changes anymore.
>>
>> Patrice.
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