Allan, the world is changing rapidly and what we are faced with is nothing less then a complete failure of all social systems. The problem is that we need less human work then ever before. ATM's, industrial robots, smart farming machines, internet (how many shop attendants in bookstores have lost jobs because of Amazon?) are taking away jobs. Airline pilots used to be glamorous characters. Now, their salaries start at $35k and there is a rumor about the whole new generation of airplanes which will not need human pilots. Hopefully, those will not run MS-Windows. In short, work ceased to be in short supply. The problem is that there we have 6.5 billion humans on this planet and that we all want to eat, have families, be healthy, have cars, cable TV and the internet access, swimming pools and alike. Someone should better provide it to people if they are unable to provide for themselves, or you will have crime, gated communities, social unrest and catastrophic system failures on all sides. With the advent of mass education, we now have an oversupply of highly trained and well educated workers, as well as the complete failure of management which still uses the old time proven "drill sergeant" style. That is why so many damagers fret over telecommuting. The net result is that the prices of highly qualified work like the DBA work are falling and that there is no more security. We're living in another "fin de siecle" period, which will probably end with some sort of solution in 2070. Unfortunately, you and me are unlikely to benefit from that, although I'd like to see what the crazy sixties will be like. As I was born in 1961., I'd be in my 100's so I will not be able to enjoy the goodies (and inhale). I have no solution or answer to those problems, but the fact is that we're going to be replaced by the machines. Arnold will be among the first ones.
-- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA -----Original Message----- Nelson, Allan Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 6:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L America doesn't do anything you mentioned as a collective entity. We individuals would like to live normal American resonably economically secure lives. We grew up in that environment and we kind of like it with some individual exceptions. Tech was supposed to provide those kind of career paths. Whenever this kind of thing happens the individuals involved feel betrayed by the economic entities that have benefited both from the labor we have invested in our careers and the money we have spent on the products made by these corporations. We feel that those American executives, who are after all not making the argument that we can get cheaper executives in India too, are breaking the implicit bargin we made. Not that this "bargin" ever had any standing in reality but we are talking about people's feelings here. Allan -----Original Message----- Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 4:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L labor is just like another raw material . when America can dump chemical , weapons , plastic and electronic on name of free trade to all over world , why are we scarred when someone else is dumping labor ?? -ak ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 1:39 PM > You preachin' to the choir here ... <g> > > v/r > > Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC > Data Services Manager > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > (813) 827-9974 DSN 651-9974 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Craig Healey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2003 12:54 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: OT -- Boston Globe job listings > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI > > > > > > be an overall benefit to the economy, too. However, the financial > > > argument of should I pay 75K - 120K a year for US based DBAs or > > > pay 45K - 80K for offshore talent is hard to beat. The money > > > ranges I gave are contract employee/job shop type of quotes, IOW, > > > a 75K US position would be for a junior DBA that is actually > > > getting 35K-40K and so on up the skill range. > > > > > But don't forget the hidden costs. You need an experienced person at > > your end, with good communications skills, to manage the > > outsourcing. Plus, you have to take into account the time difference > > if any "in-hours" work is to be done. Plus, once you've outsourced > > and fired your in-house staff, you may get tied to the outsourcing > > company as they are the only ones who know your data. Using > > outsourcing purely to save money in the short term is just poor > > management. 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