The credit for that goes to Gary Dodge. It has been his email signature for better than 10 years...
"Building tomorrow's legacy systems today - one crisis at a time" Gene Fosnight (a successfully retired Oracle consultant) had an email signature that was, if anything, even better: "Look, listen, and learn, for an original mistake is as rare as an original idea." on 12/22/03 5:34 PM, Mogens Nørgaard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Imagine the banner text: "Miracle A/S. The Legacy Support of Tomorrow. > Filling the Gap (jeans) like nobody else." > > Thanks to Tim Gorman for inspiration. I don't recall the text completely > anymore, but he used to have this one about "Building tomorrow's legacy > systems - one crisis at a time". Or something to that effect. > > Mogens > > Pete Sharman wrote: > >> But I thought this was the perfect opportunity for Miracle to fill any >> perceived gap in support? :) >> >> Pete >> >> "Controlling developers is like herding cats." >> >> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook >> >> "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" >> >> Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> Mogens Nørgaard >> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2003 10:14 PM >> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >> >> It's the Best of Breed versus One Vendor debate, and there are pros and >> cons galore. >> >> The perfect scenario, of course, is when they combine, so one vendor >> delivers the best of everything. That's what we have with Microsoft, >> isn't it? ;-) : Office stuff, OS, Database, ERP, CRM, video player, what >> >> have you... >> >> Then on the Support side of things, it's indeed good to be able to call >> One Vendor Only... if that vendor is good at Support. If he isn't, you >> might be better off if you have more than one option for calling. >> >> Mogens >> >> Pete Sharman wrote: >> >> >> >>> Just a couple of comments on this which hopefully won't go down the >>> Marketing track too far. :) >>> >>> 1. I'm pretty sure Steve Adams agrees with you, since he co-presented >>> on ASM at OracleWorld in San Fran. Not sure if he monitors this group >>> actively or not, but I believe the presentation he did is loaded with >>> all the other OracleWorld 2003 presentations so you can see what he >>> said. >>> >>> 2. One point which makes a lot of sense to me, and it happens in a >>> variety of places in 10g such as ASM and the RAC clusterware. If you >>> have one vendor to raise an issue with (not that you'd need to do that >>> with Oracle of course!), it's a lot easier to get an answer without the >>> finger pointing that can go on between vendors. Take the clusterware >>> example - if you run into a problem running RAC on Sun with the Sun >>> Cluster technology and Veritas owning the disk side, who you gonna >>> >>> >> call? >> >> >>> GhostBusters, maybe! But if you're running RAC on Sun with Oracle's >>> clusterware and ASM, it's a lot easier to determine who to call. >>> >>> Pete >>> >>> "Controlling developers is like herding cats." >>> >>> Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook >>> >>> "Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" >>> >>> Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> Connor McDonald >>> Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:34 AM >>> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >>> >>> As with anything I suppose, if a single vendor can be >>> in control of more of the stack between application >>> and physical server structure then there is a greater >>> opportunity for benefits. For example, ASM offers the >>> ability to add disks to a stripe without needing to >>> redistribute(reload) the entire stripeset. >>> >>> A (bug-free) ASM product looks very very impressive to >>> me. Time will tell how close Oracle are to achieving >>> it. >>> >>> hth >>> connor >>> >>> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > no ASMs are >>> considerably different. Its supposed to >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> manage everything. You dont give it a file, you give >>>> it entire disks and oracle does everything. Sets up >>>> files, manages, I/O, everything. >>>> >>>> you only look at the tablespace level. you dont even >>>> install any software on it. If your on SAN, you dont >>>> install SAN software on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> From: "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:14:27 EST >>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: 10g new features question for beta >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> testers >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i has >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Oracle Managed Files where you give it a directory >>>> and then just build tablespaces. The database picks >>>> the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work, >>>> but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other >>>> than a development environment. For some reason >>>> Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME (Stripe >>>> And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great >>>> in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal >>>> at best. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Dick Goulet >>>>> Senior Oracle DBA >>>>> Oracle Certified 8i DBA >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM >>>>> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> features last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast one >>>> other person from the list was there. Since Oracle >>>> is releasing details and its going to be released(in >>>> theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if you >>>> guys could talk about it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? I >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> always wonder about first generation features... >>>> takes most software vendors a couple of generations >>>> to get it right(takes any project Im on just as >>>> long). This is a radical departure. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> they will manage your disks for you. All you do is >>>> give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up, >>>> and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look at >>>> logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O >>>> balancing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> How well does this work? Anyone test it with a >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> SAN? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> 2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you only >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> need Oracle software from now on. They also claim >>>> that you can load balance multiple applications. >>>> Lets say you have One application that runs batch >>>> loads over night and a transactional application >>>> during the day.... oracle will automatically steal >>>> resources from the other when its not busy... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> anyone test this? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> he said that you can keep massive undo areas, so >>>> that if you have a failure or delete data you >>>> shouldnt have you can have oracle automatically >>>> write the DML necessary to bring it back to any >>>> point in time. Kyte said that regular EIDE hard >>>> drives that you put in home PCs are plenty fast >>>> enough for most systems. He recommends getting 4 300 >>>> GB drives(1.2 TBs) for about $1400 to do this and to >>>> make tape backups off of this since they are really >>>> slow. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Can any beta testers comment? >>>>> >>>>> Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... 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