Thats why I carefully wrote: "opportunity for benefits"
as opposed to "benefits" :-) --- Mogens_Nørgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's the Best of Breed versus One Vendor debate, and > there are pros and > cons galore. > > The perfect scenario, of course, is when they > combine, so one vendor > delivers the best of everything. That's what we have > with Microsoft, > isn't it? ;-) : Office stuff, OS, Database, ERP, > CRM, video player, what > have you... > > Then on the Support side of things, it's indeed good > to be able to call > One Vendor Only... if that vendor is good at > Support. If he isn't, you > might be better off if you have more than one option > for calling. > > Mogens > > Pete Sharman wrote: > > >Just a couple of comments on this which hopefully > won't go down the > >Marketing track too far. :) > > > >1. I'm pretty sure Steve Adams agrees with you, > since he co-presented > >on ASM at OracleWorld in San Fran. Not sure if he > monitors this group > >actively or not, but I believe the presentation he > did is loaded with > >all the other OracleWorld 2003 presentations so you > can see what he > >said. > > > >2. One point which makes a lot of sense to me, and > it happens in a > >variety of places in 10g such as ASM and the RAC > clusterware. If you > >have one vendor to raise an issue with (not that > you'd need to do that > >with Oracle of course!), it's a lot easier to get > an answer without the > >finger pointing that can go on between vendors. > Take the clusterware > >example - if you run into a problem running RAC on > Sun with the Sun > >Cluster technology and Veritas owning the disk > side, who you gonna call? > >GhostBusters, maybe! But if you're running RAC on > Sun with Oracle's > >clusterware and ASM, it's a lot easier to determine > who to call. > > > >Pete > > > >"Controlling developers is like herding cats." > > > >Kevin Loney, Oracle DBA Handbook > > > >"Oh no, it's not. It's much harder than that!" > > > >Bruce Pihlamae, long-term Oracle DBA > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >Connor McDonald > >Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:34 AM > >To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > >As with anything I suppose, if a single vendor can > be > >in control of more of the stack between application > >and physical server structure then there is a > greater > >opportunity for benefits. For example, ASM offers > the > >ability to add disks to a stripe without needing to > >redistribute(reload) the entire stripeset. > > > >A (bug-free) ASM product looks very very impressive > to > >me. Time will tell how close Oracle are to > achieving > >it. > > > >hth > >connor > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > no ASMs are > >considerably different. Its supposed to > > > > > >>manage everything. You dont give it a file, you > give > >>it entire disks and oracle does everything. Sets > up > >>files, manages, I/O, everything. > >> > >>you only look at the tablespace level. you dont > even > >>install any software on it. If your on SAN, you > dont > >>install SAN software on it. > >> > >> > >>>From: "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:14:27 EST > >>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >>> > >>> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >> > >>>Subject: RE: 10g new features question for beta > >>> > >>> > >>testers > >> > >> > >>>That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i has > >>> > >>> > >>Oracle Managed Files where you give it a directory > >>and then just build tablespaces. The database > picks > >>the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work, > >>but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other > >>than a development environment. For some reason > >>Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME > (Stripe > >>And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great > >>in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal > >>at best. > >> > >> > >>>Dick Goulet > >>>Senior Oracle DBA > >>>Oracle Certified 8i DBA > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM > >>>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > >>> > >>> > >>>I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new > >>> > >>> > >>features last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast > one > >>other person from the list was there. Since Oracle > >>is releasing details and its going to be > released(in > >>theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if > you > >>guys could talk about it. > >> > >> > >>>1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? I > >>> > >>> > >>always wonder about first generation features... > >>takes most software vendors a couple of > generations > >>to get it right(takes any project Im on just as > >>long). This is a radical departure. > >> > >> > >>>for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims > that > >>> > >>> > >>they will manage your disks for you. All you do is > >>give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up, > >>and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look > at > >>logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O > >>balancing. > >> > >> > >>>How well does this work? Anyone test it with a > >>> > >>> > >>SAN? > >> > >> > >>>2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you > only > >>> > >>> > >>need Oracle software from now on. They also claim > >>that you can load balance multiple applications. > >>Lets say you have One application that runs batch > >>loads over night and a transactional application > >>during the day.... oracle will automatically steal > >>resources from the other when its not busy... > >> > >> > >>>anyone test this? > >>> > >>> > >>>3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and > >>> > >>> > >>he said that you can keep massive undo areas, so > >>that if you have a failure or delete data you > >>shouldnt have you can have oracle automatically > >>write the DML necessary to bring it back to any > >>point in time. Kyte said that regular EIDE hard > >>drives that you put in home PCs are plenty fast > >>enough for most systems. He recommends getting 4 > 300 > >>GB drives(1.2 TBs) for about $1400 to do this and > to > >>make tape backups off of this since they are > really > >>slow. > >> > >> > >>>Can any beta testers comment? > >>> > >>>Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature... > >>> > >>> > >>that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... 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