The perfect scenario, of course, is when they combine, so one vendor delivers the best of everything. That's what we have with Microsoft, isn't it? ;-) : Office stuff, OS, Database, ERP, CRM, video player, what have you...
Then on the Support side of things, it's indeed good to be able to call One Vendor Only... if that vendor is good at Support. If he isn't, you might be better off if you have more than one option for calling.
Mogens
Pete Sharman wrote:
Just a couple of comments on this which hopefully won't go down the Marketing track too far. :)
1. I'm pretty sure Steve Adams agrees with you, since he co-presented on ASM at OracleWorld in San Fran. Not sure if he monitors this group actively or not, but I believe the presentation he did is loaded with all the other OracleWorld 2003 presentations so you can see what he said.
2. One point which makes a lot of sense to me, and it happens in a variety of places in 10g such as ASM and the RAC clusterware. If you have one vendor to raise an issue with (not that you'd need to do that with Oracle of course!), it's a lot easier to get an answer without the finger pointing that can go on between vendors. Take the clusterware example - if you run into a problem running RAC on Sun with the Sun Cluster technology and Veritas owning the disk side, who you gonna call? GhostBusters, maybe! But if you're running RAC on Sun with Oracle's clusterware and ASM, it's a lot easier to determine who to call.
Pete
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-----Original Message----- Connor McDonald Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 2:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
As with anything I suppose, if a single vendor can be in control of more of the stack between application and physical server structure then there is a greater opportunity for benefits. For example, ASM offers the ability to add disks to a stripe without needing to redistribute(reload) the entire stripeset.
A (bug-free) ASM product looks very very impressive to me. Time will tell how close Oracle are to achieving it.
hth connor
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considerably different. Its supposed to
---------------------------------------------------------------------manage everything. You dont give it a file, you give it entire disks and oracle does everything. Sets up files, manages, I/O, everything.
you only look at the tablespace level. you dont even
install any software on it. If your on SAN, you dont
install SAN software on it.
From: "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2003/12/19 Fri AM 09:14:27 EST
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: RE: 10g new features question for betatesters
That is not exactly a new feature. Oracle 9i hasOracle Managed Files where you give it a directory
and then just build tablespaces. The database picks
the filenames for you. Now mind you it does work,
but I'll be damned if I use it in anything other
than a development environment. For some reason
Oracle has never gotten over that DUMB SAME (Stripe
And Mirror Everything) idea. The concept is great
in theory, but in practice it's absolutely abysmal
at best.
features last night in Reston,VA. I know atleast oneDick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA
-----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
I saw a presentation from Oracle on 10g new
other person from the list was there. Since Oracle
is releasing details and its going to be released(in
theory) in the next 2 weeks, I was wondering if you
guys could talk about it.
1. does ASMs work as well as Oracle claims? Ialways wonder about first generation features...
takes most software vendors a couple of generations
to get it right(takes any project Im on just as
long). This is a radical departure.
for those of you who dont know. Oracle claims thatthey will manage your disks for you. All you do is
give Oracle some Raw Disks and Oracle will set up,
and handle all your datafiles. All you do is look at
logical tablespaces. It will also handle I/O
balancing.
How well does this work? Anyone test it with aSAN?
2. RAC Load Balancing. Oracle claims that you onlyneed Oracle software from now on. They also claim
that you can load balance multiple applications.
Lets say you have One application that runs batch
loads over night and a transactional application
during the day.... oracle will automatically steal
resources from the other when its not busy...
anyone test this?he said that you can keep massive undo areas, so
3. Flashback database. Kyte was the presenter and
that if you have a failure or delete data you
shouldnt have you can have oracle automatically
write the DML necessary to bring it back to any
point in time. Kyte said that regular EIDE hard
drives that you put in home PCs are plenty fast
enough for most systems. He recommends getting 4 300
GB drives(1.2 TBs) for about $1400 to do this and to
make tape backups off of this since they are really
slow.
Can any beta testers comment?that way I dont have to update TS$ anymore... I
Im pleased with the rename tablespace feature...
wonder if it was our complaining that got them to
add it :)
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