Dear Gerardo This is a comparison that many have made. Music is obviously an art form where there is notation, performers follow instructions, songs are shared and taught, and many people, including the top artists, make both their own original work and perform works by others. Of course the comparisons between music, maths and geometry go at least back to Pythagoras.
I don’t have a date for when I first heard of John Montroll saying that he thought of himself as being like a composer, but that could be before or after Peter Engel wrote about it. I’d suggest (tentatively - perhaps there are earlier examples!) an older first source for a comparison -which many of you may know- Leo Tolstoy in 1896… this is from his essay “what is art?” It’s not clear to me exactly the model in question, but perhaps he was shown the traditional flapping bird: “I cannot refrain from observing that this was the only new work in the sphere of paper cockerels that I have encountered during the last sixty years. At the same time, the poems, novels and musical opuses that I have read and heard during the same period run to hundreds, if not thousands. This is because cockerels do not matter, you might say, whereas poems and symphonies do. But I think that the reason lies in the fact it is much easer to write a poem, paint a picture, or compose a symphony than to invent a new cockerel.“ I’d also just like to see if Peter Engel perhaps would tell us a bit more. I think in Folding the Universe you quote Yoshizawa on the same subject… and Arthur L Loeb mentions music in the introduction too. Peter it would be interesting if you can remember - was there a conversation with Yoshizawa specifically on this subject? Did you arrive at this idea together or independently? Yoshizawa also mentions it in “between the folds” which of course is later than Peter’s book (by about 9 years). Robert Lang and Bernie Peynton also allude to music in the same documentary. Here’s a Yoshizawa quote from Peter’s book: “Learning those traditional models is just like playing music written by other composers, and origami books are still like that. But it's very hard to go from that style into free and creative origami. It's not a matter of time. People who can't create won't create, even if they spend the whole of their lives.” Thanks Peter and Gerardo for the discussion. Lee > On 24 Sep 2023, at 12:58, origami-requ...@lists.digitalorigami.com wrote: > > Send Origami mailing list submissions to > origami@lists.digitalorigami.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/listinfo/origami > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > origami-requ...@lists.digitalorigami.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > origami-ow...@lists.digitalorigami.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Origami digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Apologies to John Montroll and all from Michigan (Bonnie Hurley) > 2. Where does the comparison between origami and music come > from? (gera...@neorigami.com) > 3. Re: Where does the comparison between origami and music come > from? (Mike Naughton) > 4. Origami for Teachers - Building a Community (Ilan Garibi) > 5. Re: Where does the comparison between origami and music come > from? (wanderer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 17:49:57 +0000 (UTC) > From: Bonnie Hurley <bjd...@aol.com> > To: "origami@lists.digitalorigami.com" > <origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> > Subject: [Origami] Apologies to John Montroll and all from Michigan > Message-ID: <1514734419.3855917.1695491397...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I folded John Montroll's Wolverine (diagrams are in his new Arctic Animals > book) and loudly asked whoever could hear, "Why would anyone decide to create > folds for a Wolverine?" A bunch of folks jumped up and said, "Michigan!"? > I've been chastened. > Bonnie Hurley, Older FolderHave without holding; catch and release > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/private/origami/attachments/20230923/56c48cc8/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 01:38:23 +0000 (UTC) > From: "gera...@neorigami.com" <gera...@neorigami.com> > To: Origami Lists Digitalorigami <origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> > Subject: [Origami] Where does the comparison between origami and music > come from? > Message-ID: <1289683339.6156910.1695519503...@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi everyone. > Ever since I became an active member of the origami community, through the > web, I've heard about the comparison between origami and music and how in > both there are composers and interpreters. > I'm curious about it. Where does this idea come from? Who was the first to > propose it and where did he or she do it? > > I'd love to know! Thanks in advance. > -- > Gerardo G. > gerardo(a)neorigami.com > instagram.com/NeorigamiComKnowledge and Curiosity in Origami: > six private classes online > > "(...) It doesn?t happen often, but when it does, it takes your breath away > and fills you with the true joy of origami. I experienced this in my lessons > with Gerardo G. I wouldn?t trade it for anything. Gerardo is (...)" C. R. > Read the full review > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <https://lists.digitalorigami.com/mailman/private/origami/attachments/20230924/fdc7498d/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:20:19 -0400 > From: Mike Naughton <mnaughto...@comcast.net> > To: origami@lists.digitalorigami.com > Subject: Re: [Origami] Where does the comparison between origami and > music come from? > Message-ID: <95c8b327-0df8-409d-9517-9dfdf8eb9...@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > I've thought of it myself -- I don't think I heard it from anyone else, > but it seems like a natural comparison. > > Mike Naughton > >> On 9/23/2023 9:38 PM, gera...@neorigami.com wrote: >> Hi everyone. >> >> Ever since I became an active member of the origami community, through >> the web, I've heard about the comparison between origami and music and >> how in both there are composers and interpreters. >> >> I'm curious about it. 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