I am sure, at one point in time, the same was true with Apache.  But now that the kid 
has grown up, look where it is today.  Which is why I make a big distinction between a 
plain open source, and a mature open source.  Things like Apache, Linux, Mysql, and 
Postgresql are mature open source -- partly due to the fact that they been around for 
a number of years.  Projects like Orion, Resin, Jboss, Tomcat, Enhydra, Openejb, and 
Jonas have the potential to become mature open source (yes, Orion is not open - 
piety), some more then others (like Jboss, Tomcat, and Openejb) and they probably will 
be.  People ask, for example -- should they run Jboss in a production environment.  
The answer depends on how big is the user load in the production environment.  Jboss 
doesn't currently support either horizontal or vertical clustering, and they have 
plans this year to implement vertical clustering.  If the project continues to mature, 
there may be future plans to add horizontal clustering. A !
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user from this list mentioned Gemstone's ability to work among many distributed VM's.  
So I am sure, for example, that some environments have no problem running an RDMS like 
Oracle for large projects and an RDMS like Mysql or Postgresql for small projects.    

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Endres [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 11:48 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?


However, MySQL support has not always been that "first class". I can remember the days 
when
MySQL support was much like Orion support today - you needed the mailing list!

Lets hope that Orion can make the same transition to providing strong support.

tim.

> If you use mysql, I think you need to compile the Berkeley engine first to get 
>transaction support.  Please query MySQL on this, if you need to use transactions.  
>Their support and documentation is first class (are you taking notes here Orion?  
>There is a quiz next week). 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 5:06 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Thank to all of u guys
> I have not been using BMP before and when i tried ms access it gave me a  hard time 
>though i works sometimes
> Thanks to your advice I am going to try MySQl for the moment
> Respect
> what a Great e-mailing list
> faisal
>  
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Thomas  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Pridham 
> To: Orion-Interest <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:01 PM
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> Two other free RDMS's are:
>  
> 1.  Interbase (http:// www.interbase.com <http://www.interbase.com> ) - originally 
>developed by Borland, now open source.  I am using this product in a commercial 
>environment.  It is a bit unstable on Linux, but runs great on Win2000.  This DB has 
>a JDBC client.  This is a cross platform DB.
>  
> 2.  SAP DB ( http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/ 
><http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/> ) - open sourced by SAP.  I have not 
>worked with this DB yet, but I will soon.  This DB also has a type 4 JDBC driver.  
>This is a cross-platform DB.
>  
> Both of these databases "appear" to be industrial strength :)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:32 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> Is ms access considered an RDMS and does it have a JDBC driver?  If so, then it 
>should be theoretically possible to have it work with Orion.   But why would you want 
>to do this?  A better solution would be to work with something like Postgresql ( 
>www.postgresql.org <http://www.postgresql.orgom> ) or Mysql ( www.mysql.com 
><http://www.mysql.com> ), if you don't have a commercial database (like Oracle) 
>available. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: faisal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2001 9:55 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: ms access & Orion?
> 
> 
> does ms access  work with Orion 
> ?
> 


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