Not to mention that the thingy (I won't call it a database) that he uses for
the 'real stuff' come with the curse of the 'Oracle Marketing Ghoul' the
famous shifting license, and numerous other scary things.
8-(;^b
I DO believe that MySQL (through mmSQL, as well as the Berkeley stuff)
supports J2EE in a 'not-even-good-enough-for-gubbmint-work' way. Sadly,
HyperSonicSQL/hsqldb does not support a full set of J2EE, or JDBC 2.0, or
SQL92 for that matter, by itself. But we're working on it (we really,
really are!). The advantage we have over MySQL is that we are Java, 100%,
and therefore, MUCH easier to work with and communicate with, if you're a
Java developer.
BTW, any of you OTHER MySQL zealots want to discuss the upcoming Gemini
release? I can't find any specifics on it other than it is GPL and builds
on the MySQL codebase.
dedmike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 4:24 PM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: A Swedish Idea
>
>
> Argh, I really did try hard not to respond, but I can resist no longer...
>
> 'it's good enough for NASA' means nothing, nor is it relevant. Win98 is
> good enough for many 'respected' corporations, that does not mean we
> should all follow suit. Horses for courses, my friend.
>
> Mysql does not support transactions, which are REQUIRED for J2EE. It's
> 'good enough' for certain types of applications, however, it is NOT good
> enough for J2EE. End of discussion.
>
> I think you're working off of a very false assumption, which seems to go
> like this:
>
> I like technology X
> I like technology Y
> Technology X and technology Y must get married, to form technology Z that
> I will think is the nest thing since sliced bread.
>
> Sadly, while there's nothing wrong with the first two steps, the third
> seems to be a bit of a....leap of faith.
>
> Hani
>
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
>
> > Transactions are supported with the Berkeley transaction engine
> in the current Mysql release. A prior user has answered how to
> set this up. Kiddie database? Did you tell Nasa that? They made
> a recent (Dec. 2000, I believe) decision to use Mysql in some of
> their business systems (hopefully, not the space modules). Yes,
> others like postgresql are more advanced, but mysql is as good as
> hsql, and would be a good modeling, prototype database. For the
> record, I use both mysql (for testing and prototyping) and Oracle
> 8I (for the real stuff). And everyone can learn from them in how
> to write good documentation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan North [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:08 PM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea
> >
> >
> > Ok, I'll bite.
> >
> > Orion is not an open source product and probably never will be.
> The fact
> > that it is free for development purposes and remarkably inexpensive for
> > deployment shouldn't alter your perception of (a) the ownership and
> > proprietary nature of the code, or (b) the quality of the product.
> >
> > MySQL is a quick and dirty database. It has a number of
> glaring omissions
> > compared to most grown-up RDBs (transactions and sub-selects to
> name but
> > two), and there are better open source products out there
> (Interbase and
> > PostgreSQL spring to mind) for scalability, robustness, data integrity,
> > yada yada yada. Therefore not the ideal companion for a
> product built to
> > support a technology that is all of these things.
> >
> > Use a kiddie database if you must, but please don't inflict it
> on the rest
> > of us!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Dan/tastapod
> >
> > ps. LogicSphere - mmm - can't wait!
> >
> >
> > At 10:17 18/04/2001 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Why?!?!
> > >
> > >I have an idea, why don't IBM and BEA team up and
> > >release...logicsphere! After all, they're both US companies...
> > >
> > >On Wed, 18 Apr 2001, Kemp Randy-W18971 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Now this may be a dumb idea, and I am just thinking up
> brainstorms to
> > > promote Orion, but it occurred to me that both Mysql and Orion are in
> > > Sweden. Now I don't know how big Sweden is, but perhaps a meeting
> > > between the two teams could find ways to mutually promote or
> bridge the
> > > two products. Just a thought. Speaking of Sweden, since Rickard O.
> > > from Jboss lives there, does anyone know of Magnus or Karl
> have meet him?
> > > In once sense, but Jboss and Orion are trying to make this
> EJB technology
> > > available to more people.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > --
> > Dan North
> > VP Development - Cadrion Technologies Ltd - +44 (0)20 7440 9550
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