Mike Milinkovich wrote:

> > If Eclipse would be willing to contribute to the
> > development of a unified OSGi platform within the
> > ASF, that could be one immediately viable approach.

> AFAIK, there has been no attempt to interact with or
> invite Eclipse participation.

There was no slight intended.  All are welcomed.

But perhaps you don't understand how the ASF works, as is evidenced by some
of your other comments, so I'll explain for everyone's edification.

The ASF did not "create" this OSGi project.  Existing communities decided
that they wanted to come to the ASF.  There was sufficient (actually,
considerable) interest within the ASF, so we welcomed them.  That is how it
works.  Which means that your questions:

  - Would it not make just as much sense to bring your
    contributions to Eclipse as the other way around?

  - What are the inhibitors to Apache using or
    referencing the Eclipse implementation and its
    related tooling (which itself is a significant
    piece of work)?

indicate a lack of understanding about how things work.

They came to us.  We welcome them.  Existing ASF contributors are coming.
You are welcome to come, too.

> Why it would serve the interests of Apache, Eclipse, ObjectWeb,
> OSGi or the greater open source community to have directly
> competing projects is beyond me.

Discussion of the benefits of convergence or friendly competition is beyond
the scope of what I've personally got time to discuss at the moment, but I'm
pretty much on record as sayging that I always prefer to see collaboration
whenever possible.  But, again, the ASF is about community.  We don't force
people to work together based upon problem domains.  Heck, we have directly
competing projects WITHIN the ASF, much less elsewhere.

Again, since there is active interest within the ASF to build this
community, that's what we'll do.  Your OSGi related community is welcome to
participate.

        --- Noel

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