hi Azrul, I don't think we have to be doing these things 100% of the time. And believe me those MBA's in PWC and what not are just 'cut & pasters' from their own company manuals, they are incapable of thinkg out of the box! Met many of them, ppl like Red, me and prob you (and quite few others I know) can out-think and out debate those jokers. I have little respect for MBA's lets not 'fear' them.
Also, there's where the community comes in, 'many hands make light work'. We will need ppl with differing skill sets, there will be visionaries and there will also be a need for those to work out details, like financials (budgets, cash-flows), training syllabuses, network infra, etc.... even people to run around and collect information,.. so we need ppl's contributions, lets not shut anybody out. We will need good leadership here to make this work... Yes, its grand plan, you are right, we need a 'Community Lead National ICT Plan'. I know MDEC, but I dont think they are capable of leading, otherwise they wld have done so. It took them (how long?) to realise OSS exists, and they even 'outsourced' their OSS initiative ( dunno about now..) But there are individuals in MDEC who are fighting this battle, with us, and those are our allies. We may not be able to present the complete plan ( again lets not underestimate ourselves) and I strongly suspect we dont have to,.... If we kick up enough momentum, MDEC, OSCC, EPU et al will have to come on board... and if I'm not wrong OSCC already has such a plan, perhaps we just need to tweak its implementation. (perhaps someone can comment on OSCC plans? I know they too are facing some 'obstacles', otherwise. why is the OSCC not using Open Office vs MS OFFice?) Also, as a fellow speaker in MyGOSSCON (Dean of Comp Sc, UniMAP) mentioned "...you sometimes need power to implement OSS". - about how he was powerless to determine policy and now that he can, as the Dean, and the entire dept. uses OpenOffice! We are launching a guerilla campaign, and allied against us, are 'big business', clueless bureaucrats/... as usual. Its a long battle ahead. As for the funding issues, what is to say 'we' cannot be funded to do something like this? There are different avenues for fnding, perhaps not on the level of Boston Consult with their 150USD/hr rates, but certainly/hopefully better than the 'urban poverty' limit of 3K/mth ;-) This is an initiative from the Rakyat, as a result, I believe we have a strong political message... But like you say, most of us cannot spend full-time doing this, you, I .... we have our own paying gigs. And I dont really need to do this.... but if we dont who will? Are we gonna see Malaysia left behind in the e-dust of the Web2.0 economy? at least we can say we did fight for it, win or lose..... and if we lost. well, we can write it off ... and go overseas ;-) On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Azrul Hasni MADISA <azrulha...@gmail.com> wrote: > I hope Rafe's cool. We are not attacking him personally. He's been doing > more for the community than MDEC is willing to pay. All my salute to him and > his gang. > > The problem with doing something is just that, to rival PWC we need to have > people doing this 100% of the time. (PWC hire full time staff with MBA > qualification in everything from IT to perfumerie). Doing things 100% of the > time is just not possible for us. As stated elsewhere I'm more than willing > to volunteer part of my time for free but it has to be led by someone full > time. > > I suggested MDEC since the nation IT policy is MDEC's job but somehow no one > bothers to lead. > > So, if someone is willing to lead the "National IT policy by the community" > project fulltime, I'm more than willing to be the footsoldier. > > > Azrul > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Boh Yap <bhy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> hi all, >> >> and with all due respect to Rafe, he is on the other side, but he's on >> our side;-) >> So don't shoot the messenger. >> >> I agree with Rafe, WE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Often a lot of protests >> is nothing more than 'tunjuk perasaan' thre's nothing concrete. If all >> we have to offer re angry voices, then we are seen as nothing more >> than the noisy rabble that protest at petty issues. >> >> But the ICT aganda of the nation is NOT A PETTY ISSUE. We are fighting >> for our future, our place in the knowledge economy. And as Red1 sez, >> the web is the great equalizer, we have an opportunity, but don't >> forget who controls the web? >> >> We, Malaysians, are merely the consumer of technology & services, we >> WANT to be a producer - a well thought out ICT policy should lead us >> in that direction. And this is not going to happen, if left in the >> hands of bureaucrats or politicians - let alone them being advised by >> vendors with vested interest. >> >> Rather than just 'make noise' why don't we try to draw out some >> policies/programs that we can present to the higher-ups/powers that >> be. Then show them we are as good if not better than those goons in >> the IAP. >> >> I suggest we work on such 'policy' papers and produce them with >> quality that can rival any of the so called 'experts' like PWC, Boston >> Consulting etc.... and I'm sure we, among the community, and those >> close to the community, have the ideas and the capabiity. Now we >> really have to sit down and do the work, be as rigorous in the details >> as we are volumnous on the big picture. >> >> Are we up to it? I'm sure there are those willing to contribute... if >> so if we are meeting this Fri, at Red1's cyberjaya haunt, lets kick >> something off.... anyone care to prepare an agenda? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:21 PM, Mohd Hidzuan <hidz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Just realized that... >> > >> > “The boy gathers materials for a temple, and then when he is thirty, >> > concludes to build a woodshed.” >> > >> > Am I? >> > ............................................................... >> > To follow the path, look to the master, >> > follow the master, walk with the master, >> > see through the master, become the master. >> > >> > Selasih Net Enterprise >> > "we never sleep, we just park our head" >> > >> > >> > Sent from Kota Bharu, Malaysia >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 1:07 PM, rafe azsnal <azs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> What country work without government?? Come on lah guys don't talk >> >> without >> >> sense! I'm here bitching about thing not as MDeC but as individual.. >> >> why? >> >> because I want to see if you have what it take TO walk the talk. Stop >> >> bitching and complaining AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!! >> >> >> >> rafe >> >> >> >> Send from my HTC Android >> >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM, "red1" <r...@red1.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Kedua-dua isu ini ada kaitan rapat la bro. >> >> >> >> Nasrul Amri Samsudin wrote: > > Dr isu IAP ke isu mknan??? >> >> >> >> > -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~--- >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> #------- >> regds, >> >> Boh Heong, Yap >> >> > > > > > -- #------- regds, Boh Heong, Yap --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. 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