hi Red1, point taken, Adempiere is not 'yours', but I perceive you as its symbolic head, and definitely someone that has major contribs. to drive its success...
and yes, I'm still guessing.... ;-) On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:02 PM, red1 <r...@red1.org> wrote: > > You are a devil alright and mostly right! > One little point though is that please do not associate adempiere as > mine, irrespective of my neckhold on it. I very much wants it to be a > Malaysian pride and might. All your ideas can make it happen faster. > > I this week am at Park Royal attending the International Software > Testing Qualification Board and met up with a very interesting contact > that can turn the whole project worldwide around. Strange how Karma > works, so i would leave it mysteriously at that :) (to leave the devil > guessing) > > Boh Yap wrote: >> hi all, >> >> yes, let's discuss on open lists, this is after all an 'open >> community'. And Red1 has been honest and open in sharing his fetish in >> this thread (see last few posts ;-) >> https://mail.google.com/mail/#search/fetish/12445fea336919fc >> >> Also I agree with Red1, let's outgrow our 'kiasu' attitude! From my >> experiance, this 'kiasu' atitude is not a monopoly of Malaysia or even >> Singapore. This exists even for example, with China.... >> >> Red1, again I want to play devil's advocate, >> >> 1. you can't build a national IT policy on just ONE PRODUCT >> ALONE, ERP, altho it has wide applications (yes, any business >> entity would require an ERP, but you're missing many other >> opportunities... read on) >> >> 2. I would also like to push the healthcare IT agenda, for MSC8, the >> following reasons: >> - Everybody needs healthcare, more so with our deteriorating >> health standards, and hence a very wide market. >> >> - Healthcare is not a price sensitive market, when did you last >> bargain with yr doctor?, as opposed to someone bargaining for a >> cheaper ERP solution.. >> >> - There is a wide range of high-end services under the healthcare >> umbrella, hence investment/biz development opportunity.. >> ie: Medical imaging, in today's Star Clinical Trials - all highly IT >> intensive. >> >> - We have an opportunity to be world-class, especially in LHR >> (Lifelong Health Record) by leveraging(reviving?) our smartcard >> NRIC. >> >> - and to correct a perception - healthcare is not ERP. Although >> there is some overlap, like in areas of inventory, asset >> management, logistics, the rest are not. >> >> - Potential to provide world-class services, Healthcare has some >> very strong and complex standards, HL7, Snomed, LOINC, ... >> and experts and solutions for these earn big consultg bucks.. >> >> - Huge potential to do joint research with foreign Uni's, there are >> FOSS projects from anything like Medical Imaging (think, 3D >> games applied to medical), to LHR done by Uni like UCLA, MIT, >> Harvard Med School, Imperial College etc... >> >> PS http://www.mscmalaysia.my/topic/Enhanced+Health+Services >> If you go to the above URL, you'll see that MSC talks about Health >> Services and has a list of 'services' - LHR is one of them! >> But other than MyHealth, the rest is vapourware? >> >> And my question of MyHealth: is this the only outcome of the $$M >> spent on the 'telemedicine flagship'?, its nothing more than a >> brochureware portal! >> Its forums are unmoderated, nobody seems to be answering, >> and its littered with MLM guys pushing bogus? healthcare >> products... >> >> >> 3. Lets not also forget the 'sexy' (in politicians and investors mind) >> sectors like BioTech and GreenTech. (And these sectors have $$) >> Both these sectors require a lot of IT, and to leave this out of a >> MSC8 plan is just.... dumb. Here's why we shld work with these >> parties. >> >> Biotech - >> relies heavilly on genetics engineering, and genetic sequencing >> and workg with genetic database would not be possible without >> IT. >> Also sophisticated Lab machinery depends heavilly on >> computer control snd programming, again requiring IT skills. >> >> GreenTech - >> Also requires a lot of IT, for the initial CAD/CAM engineering >> design & fabrication (CNC (Computerised Numerial Control) >> machine tools, robotics, etc...) >> Also most GreenTech, be it Water Recycling, Wind Energy, >> etc... require a lot of automated controls, needing expertise in >> embedded systems design and programming... again another >> aspect of IT! >> >> 4. Education: always been my bitch and pitch... >> We HAVE TO revamp education, otherwise ALL of the above >> including ERP is a pipe dream! The original MSC failed largely >> because of education (can't produce the manpower, where are >> the 1,000 Java programmers, the 80 PHDs in data/radio >> comm.....), and MSC8 too will fail if edu doesn't change. >> >> Yes Red1, I know your plans include a Adempiere Research >> Center, that is well and good, but if basic technical skills is >> not part of the core curriculum we still have a problem, eventho >> you have have 100's ERP consultants... these will be just >> business processes people. >> >> 5. Need to create a Hacker Culture >> By this I mean we gotta change public perception of what a >> hacker (and here I mean a good programmer, not a malicious >> criminal that works with computers) is. That a 'hacker' is a >> honourable and well paying job. Its as prestigous as a lawyer or >> engineer.. . and parents would encourage their kids to be >> programmers, instead of just lawyers and doctors... >> >> How? Perhaps Rafe's idea of a widely publicised programming >> competition is a good start. Perhaps there should be regular an >> inter-school coding, website-design, security hacking >> competition... >> >> Perhaps a local production company will produce a short series >> on hackers... c'mon lets come out with ideas... >> >> If we can do this, ie: get the perception that nerds/hackers >> are not social outcasts, but are role models - that will feed into >> the edu system and provide the skilled manpower to drive MSC8. >> >> (c'mon how many ppl decide to become lawyers because of all the >> 'glamorous' TV series? Can we do the same for IT? ..if I'm not >> wrong, I read that at one time US law school recruitment shot up >> because of the series 'LA Law' in the 90's) >> >> >> 6. Need to build and nurture the ecosystem... >> Nothing exist in a vacuum; can't can't have an industry if you >> don't have the HR, and having (badly trained?) HR without jobs >> also doesn't work. Also we have to LEAP FROG the rest of the >> world to be competitive. More of the SAME, BUSINESS AS >> USUAL, will only see us a 2nd rate 'me too', yes can survive, but >> still 2nd Rate. >> >> The ecosystem consists of the Gov as a regulator and possibly >> consumer of services & products, entrepreneurs innovating and >> producing products/services, education producing the HR & skills, >> private sector as the market for such services and products. >> >> Include all of the above, and you'll make up the 500 pgs easy. >> And I can find you someone who can work on the embedded and >> instrumentation part, he builds real stuff, if you want help to write >> that part of the report... >> >> >> We have missed many opportunities - here's the bitching part - but >> it helps to bring historical perspective... >> >> - we missed the boat with semiconductors, >> M'sia was one the first to do packaging for the big boys, Intel, >> Motorola, AMD, TI, we even formed MIMOS to nurture our own >> semicond technology.... 20+ yrs later, the lead was lost to >> Taiwan/Korea, they have some of the largest wafer foundry, and >> we ended up buying some 2nd-hand wafer plant, now located in >> Sarawak! And our semicond packaging business are moving to >> China... >> >> - we missed opportunities with biotech, >> I personally know of a few Msians with biotech IP, who was >> turned downed by Msia, and are now doing well overseas. >> They are still nationalistic enuff to try a second time... let's >> see how it goes. >> >> And we may miss the boat, because we are destroying our >> most valuable biotech resource at an alarming rate, the >> rainforest and coral reefs, becos the Oil Pam and tourism industry, >> by building marinas/resots, to make some quick bucks. >> Incidentally, the above biotech co. values Msia is because of this >> resource, the biodiversity in our rainforest & coral reefs! Destroy >> this and we have nothing left! >> >> So I agree with Red1 tht this may be our chance to get back on the >> boat, perhaps build a new boat - thats what Leap-Frogging is all >> about... but pls make the boat more comprehensive, instead of just >> ERP.. >> >> c'mon guys come up with some BIG ideas, thats the challenge.! >> >> > > > > > -- #------- regds, Boh Heong, Yap --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
