Hmmm... Dunno. I've read the book; and it seems to me (other than the gratuitous sex which I took to be a rather thin construct for inserting breathing spaces between the heavy stuff) that the primary message is that the most/best we can do is work to raise our own level of consciousness and that of others; rather than "wading in" to this or another issue. In that sense, OST contributes only insofar as it enables/facilitates such movement. And my sense is that it does... At least that's what I think, but I don't suppose I'm right... wk
----- Original Message ----- From: "kenoli Oleari" <ken...@igc.org> To: <osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Pondering Open Space and Spiral Dynamics > Peggy -- I can't figure out if I understand anything about Spiral > Dynamics or not. I have read about it and followed discussions on > the listserv and jumped in some. > > My thoughts on your question are this. As things move up the spiral, > they become more inclusive. At each stage, other memes are reflected > as well as the dominant meme (I'm probably already violating some > understanding of SD in this statement). In the yellow stage, just > above green and just before moving into the second tier, systems > perspectives become dominant. The second stage starts to truly > integrate the other levels. > > My thinking is that OS (and other large group interventions) > certainly reflects the yellow, or systems, perspective and has the > potential for manifesting second stage integrations as the various > memes act as part of a whole. I don't know if Spiral Dynamic folks > have looked at how groups manifest the various memes, but my > experience is that effective focused group interaction can manifest a > much higher consciousness than that of the individual members of the > group themselves and can even provide personally transforming > experiences. > > My sense is that much of the SD community is less oriented towards > group transformational work and more toward individual work and > intellectual analysis. This is certainly true of Wilbur who says > that he passed through the green experience through an individual > process rather than the group process which usually characterizes > green experience. > > Us groupies (OS and otherwise) are groupies for a reason, and I think > that is because of the transformational and elevating potential we > have observed can occur as part of good group experience. > > --Kenoli > > > > >I just finished reading Ken Wilbur's Boomeritis. The book talks > >extensively about Spiral Dynamics. One aspect he discusses > >is how the memes through Greens are intolerant of each other. I > >started thinking about Open Space's capacity to bring people > >together and actually interact productively. Makes me think that > >the power of OST is that it operates, to use Wilbur-ese, in all > >quadrants and at all levels. > > > >My apologies to those who don't speak this Spiral Dynamics/Ken > >Wilbur jargon. For those more familiar with this work than I, what > >are your thoughts? > > > >Peggy > > > > > >_______________________________ > >Peggy Holman > >The Open Circle Company > >15347 SE 49th Place > >Bellevue, WA 98006 > >425.746.6274 > ><http://www.opencirclecompany.com>www.opencirclecompany.com > > > -- > Kenoli Oleari, Horizons of Change, http://www.horizonsofchange.com > 1801 Fairview Street, Berkeley, CA 94703 Voice Phone: 510-601-8217, > Fax: 510-595-8369, Email: ken...@igc.org (or click on: mailto://ken...@igc.org) > > * > * > ========================================================== > osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu > ------------------------------ > To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, > view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, > Visit: > > http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html * * ========================================================== osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu ------------------------------ To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, Visit: http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html