Them is my sentiments, too. I especially like: ...Open Space has been free. BUT I have always insisted that there is a COST -- that we share... That I think is a good chunk of the spirit that I experience on this list: cooperation, mutual learning, broadening our practice,... That might leave those lurkers in an awkward corner: relax, your day will come with your gifts spilling into the discourse. greetings from Berlin mmp
On Wed, 7 Apr 2004 10:06:39 -0400, Harrison Owen wrote: >I think -- as a matter of fact -- that the situation at the moment re: >archives is much the same as it has always been. Accessible to those on the >list -- and of course that means that they have signed in and have a pass >word. But Michael, or somebody with greater knowledge should answer for the >technicalities. > >My concern, however, comes from a different place, and possibly a broader >perspective. As I said in a note posted some little time ago, which simply >re-iterated what I have said ad nausea, Open Space, from the moment I >created, developed, stumbled into it (fill in the blank) is and has been >free. BUT I have always insisted that there is a COST -- that we share what >we are experiencing and learning OPENLY (what else?). This LIST has been and >continues to be an incredible vehicle for sharing. Increasingly, it has >become a global resource for anybody who wants to push back the walls of >their world, ie Open Space. The nature of what we have shared covers a very >broad spectrum from the perverse to the peevish to the profound -- and >onwards to the philosophical, with multiple side trips to the technical >details. In sum, it represents the full spectrum of our collective journey >in Open Space, as we have chosen to share it. At no point in the history of >this LIST has it ever been, nor was it intended to be, a private club. We >have taken great pains, I think, to honor and respect each other, but at the >end of the day the purpose of OSLIST, or at least my purpose for this LIST >ever since I signed on -- has not been to provide a safe and secure >sanctuary in which the members may communicate. Rather, it has been to build >a body of knowledge and experience which will be available to anybody who >cares. > >Speaking very personally, I can say that the fundamental purpose of my life >has been to share whatever I am, have experienced, or might know -- with >anybody who cared, to the extent that my presence, experience or knowledge >might be helpful. Have I always been true to my ideals? Definitely not, but >at least in terms of Open Space Technology, and all that I have learned >about Open Space in my life and world -- I think I have given it my best >shot. At a very mundane level, this is why I never chose to patent, >trademark, or copyright Open Space. Certainly my books are copyrighted, but >that was more a matter of convention, to say nothing of my publishers' >wishes (after all they were investing the "big bucks" and wanted some sense >of security). However, if you wander around the websites of the world >dealing with Open Space you will find large passages of my material, and >even my illustrations, presented without attribution. I am delighted! I know >that Open Space is not about me. It is about US -- and that includes a whole >mess of people who don't even know they are a part of US. > >So back to OSLIST. My image (vision?) is that of a wonderful electronic >fishbowl with real people, opening real space, and reflecting on their >experience right out there in front of God and everybody. There is, and has >been, a real sense of intimacy and genuine community which is characteristic >of every Open Space of which I have been a part. This intimacy and community >is often manifest in wonderful hugs and kisses. It is also manifest in our >willingness to confront and engage each other directly and with respect. >Occasionally we have risen to the heights, and just as often we have found >time for a little peevishness. In short, there has been chaos, confusion and >conflict in abundance -- all included and transcended to become a viable, >organic reality available for all to see. This, so far as I am concerned, is >life in Open Space. Or to be truthful, it is just life. > >I have always assumed that the people who populate OSLIST (including all you >wonderful Lurkers!) are of a special sort. They really care about Open Space >(or want to know more about it), and they really care to share what they >have learned and experienced with whomsoever. Our benefits on OSLIST are >considerable -- we have received support, encouragement, challenge, >suggestions, questions -- from which we (or for sure "I") have grown >enormously. We have cried together, argued, pontificated, blown our minds in >marvelous and positive ways. And with these benefits comes a responsibility >to share what we are, and what we have learned with anybody who cares to >know. That, at least, is my responsibility as I have come to understand it. > >Harrison > >Harrison Owen >7808 River Falls Drive >Potomac, Maryland 20845 >Phone 301-365-2093 > >Open Space Training www.openspaceworld.com >Open Space Institute www.openspaceworld.org >Personal website http://mywebpages.comcast.net/hhowen/index.htm >osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives Visit: >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: OSLIST [mailto:osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu] On Behalf Of Nicolai >von Ertzdorff >Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:21 PM >To: osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >Subject: So what should be done with the archieves now? > >Hi, >I still wonder about the archieves. >May be, I'm not completely up to date, putting just the same questions, as >somebody did just before. - But I still didn't get, why the archieves can >be found and accessed by google. Or is this just something, which is >planned? I mean, archieves can be very interesting for a community. >But the so called "container" , the "skin" , the "whomb" with the "cellular >compound", the baby inside has to be respected also. To me, it's very >important, to know about. >Not, because it bothers me personally. But it's just important, to know >about who in this is list is feeling like to do what?-I know some archetypes >of interests, but not much more...but to know, whether finally this becomes >a "tabu", just represented by having more "lurkers", or whether there is a >true consensus in the community, to me it's important.-So, finally, I'd like >to know about the problems quality: Is it a technical problem, or is it a >decission - problem? > >If it is something to be decided, >where is a statement in favor of why the archieves should be opened to >anybody, even not being in the list? -To me, It would be, like taking away >the protecting skin, even if I have not the slightest problem about, for eg, >making jokes on "W"'s..being found later at somebodies webpage.. But, may >be, there are some convincing arguments also? Besides, dealing with >container-images: It's also important, that the "mother" feels good. If the >mother doesn't feel good, the baby neither won't..But who is who in this >case ? <grin> > >If it is not, >then, why it's not just possible, to maintain the archieves protected by a >simple password, like it's usual in many lists? >If somebody wants to make for eg a research, he can ask, simply.. >Or, is it some problem, wich the "boisy"-staff is not able to solve, >actually? And what would be necessary to resolve it? > >I'd love to be enabled to get some clear opinion about the issue .-)) > >With passionate interest in this list >Nicolai > >* >* >========================================================== >osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, >Visit: > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html > >* >* >========================================================== >osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu >------------------------------ >To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, >view the archives of osl...@listserv.boisestate.edu, >Visit: > >http://listserv.boisestate.edu/archives/oslist.html Michael M Pannwitz boscop Draisweg 1 12209 Berlin, Germany FON +49 - 30-772 8000 FAX +49 - 30-773 92 464 www.michaelmpannwitz.de www.openspace-landschaft.de An der E-Gruppe "openspacedeutsch" für deutschsprechende open space-PraktikerInnen interessiert? 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