Re studying self-organization Thanks all. Yes HO all IS self-organization. However i'm not interested in just any kind of self organization. OST or Opening space is oriented to facilitating self authorization; ease of emergence; rapid achievement of flow state and high degree of coherence. That's my experience gained in a seven year experiment in using OST to evolve an Open Space Learning Community of Practice (Spirited Work).
So one thing that pops out for me if one were to research this, maybe one needs to track a few things: 1. Level of self authorization? 2. Ease of initiating 3. Ease of emergence 4. Level of group flow state? 5. Level of group coherence? Another observation: re using "well-established words". As an example you gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that "well-established"? Except in certain academic fields? I am a "first follower" Open Spacer (that is literally true! Since 1989). I have no idea what you're talking about, i'm sorry to say. So If you're also interested in influencing and involving users of OST, I would encourage no professional jargon, if possible. It renders the enterprise meaningless to an person for whom OST taps into natural human patterns and ways of collaboration. Thanks for this conversation you all! Anne Your Self Occupy 100% A world that works for ALL is a world of love made visible Phone: 206-459-0227 Skype: anne.m.stadler Www.CompassionateSeattlehome.org www.CharterforCompassion.org www.ProtecttheSacred.org > On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:10 PM, via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > wrote: > > Send OSList mailing list submissions to > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > oslist-requ...@lists.openspacetech.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > oslist-ow...@lists.openspacetech.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of OSList digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > (John Baxter via OSList) > 2. 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Dec 9 - Membership Open Space for OSI-US > (Open Space Institute U.S. via OSList) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:18:46 +1030 > From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: Daniel Mezick <d...@newtechusa.net>, World wide Open Space > Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: > <CAJpg6=qi4djayq7tzdnnrn8wy6wqo1cou04jttpqsrxh_jd...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Great idea Daniel > > Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne > - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works > now), but I know there is much more there. > > The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across > so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and > the like... > > Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind > of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. > > I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) > > If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems > from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. > > Cheers > > > *John Baxter* > *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* > jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com > 0405 447 829 > ? | ? > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill!* > *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList < > oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > >> There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely >> discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder >> if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the >> discussion. >> >> Example: stigmergy >> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy >> *Stigmergy* is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or >> actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an >> action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a >> different agent. >> >> More details >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html >> >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >> On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: >> >> Hello facilitators of self organisation >> >> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or >> 'practice'. >> >> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern >> hemisphere!). >> >> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is >> less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than >> I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community >> organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs >> about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all). >> >> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research >> project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. >> >> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are >> - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? >> - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? >> >> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow >> wave rider: >> >> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? >> Who should be involved in doing it? >> >> ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! >> >> *John Baxter* >> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* >> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >> 0405 447 829 >> ? | ? >> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >> >> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about >> City Grill ? ? !* >> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click >> below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> -- >> >> Daniel Mezick, President >> >> New Technology Solutions Inc. >> >> (203) 915 7248 (cell) >> >> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog >> <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. Twitter >> <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>. >> >> Examine my new book: The Culture Game >> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile >> Manager. >> >> Explore Agile Team Training >> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching. >> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/> >> >> Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/> >> Community. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/03e40cad/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:41:01 +1030 > From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: Patricia Haines <levelgreen2...@gmail.com> > Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: > <CAJpg6=skdehw8jqvuilb40gqhl1h5hoqjjdbh3nt1+jtfku...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Thanks for the steer Patricia, I will look into self advocacy. > > I hope I can produce something by the end of summer that would be very > useful for challenges like yours with org management! (And mean me not > writing this all out by hand) > > Some of the loose ends I have collected so far that might be relevant > (though they might also be rabbit holes)... > > Some of the general concepts: > - 'agile' management... in fact there is agile or lean *everything* these > days... and Kaizen > <http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Kaizen-Culture-Organization-Breakthrough/dp/0071826858/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385383786&sr=8-1&keywords=jon+miller+kaizen>, > and other concepts from software and manufacturing > - 'adaptive' leadership, management and everything else > - generative organisation > <http://authenticorganizations.com/harquail/2013/12/11/whats-a-generative-organization/#comment-56686> > (and > thriveability) > > More specific models: > - Holocracy governance model (TEDx video of main concept > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR-8AOccyj4&feature=youtube_gdata_player>, > solid review in context of governance practices > <http://enterprise20blog.com/2014/01/09/holacracy-logical-step-evolution-organization/> > ) > - Swarmwise > <http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/>, > tactical manual for operating a Pirate Party (as per Sweden) > - Collective Impact > <http://go.delicious.com/?id=63408X1518852&xs=1&url=http://vibrantcanada.ca/content/making-collective-impact-work&sref=https://delicious.com/jsbaxter/search/collective> > (it's not specifically for organisations, but yes it is a model for > governance-without-control, this has lots of good articles > <http://collectiveimpactaustralia.com/>) > > And relevant for 'how to be a manager' > - Harrison's *Wave Rider* (obviously) > - Peter Block's *Stewardship* > > Interested to hear what references and ideas you find most useful Patricia. > > Cheers > > > *John Baxter* > *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* > jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com > 0405 447 829 > ? | ? > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill!* > *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Patricia Haines <levelgreen2...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I like this idea. There's an important movement among and for adults with >> developmental disabilities called "self advocacy". This is self-organizing >> on individual, group and organizational levels. >> >> I'm also interested in how OS and self-organization can play out in >> non-profit management. I'm reorganizing the Level Green Board, want to >> operate on OS principles. Any thoughts along such lines? >> >> Patricia Gooding (aka Haines) >> >> Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through >> education and the arts, in the democratic spirit of the Grundtvigian Folk >> School >> >> On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >> Hello facilitators of self organisation >> >> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or >> 'practice'. >> >> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). >> >> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less >> than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I >> realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community >> organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs >> about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all). >> >> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research >> project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. >> >> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are >> - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? >> - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? >> >> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow >> wave rider: >> >> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? >> Who should be involved in doing it? >> >> ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! >> >> *John Baxter* >> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* >> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >> 0405 447 829 >> ? | ? >> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >> >> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >> Grill??!* >> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/ce7195ff/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:50:02 +1030 > From: John Baxter via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is> > Cc: World wide Open Space Technology email list > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: > <CAJpg6=t6wcknc8owugsiqjthvlfwn_fqto9cbpb9rp5plv_...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Kari > > We might be thinking more in parallel than aligned. > > I very much doubt I will submit anything to an academic journal... I can't > imagine many processes less pleasant! Though I could find parts to spin > off into trade journals and the like. > > But if others are already researching in an aligned field (are you > yourself?) I would be very happy to partner or pass on anything I produce > for publication. Could you imagine a situation like that? > > In the context of the rigours and process of academic research, my own > thoughts are closer to a literature review than a genuine research question. > > Cheers > > > *John Baxter* > *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* > jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com > 0405 447 829 > ? | ? > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill!* > *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:25 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson <kari.gunnars...@simnet.is> > wrote: > >> Hi John >> >> As an academic researcher I say ... yes, this needs to become, ... I like >> to see theorizing and testing, and more papers in academic journals for me >> to site. >> >> If we take the hypothesis from Owen that there is always self-organization >> at work, now in what conditions is this self-organization not functioning >> well. >> >> I would argue that we can find cultural elements that are toxic to >> self-organization, site lining it, driving it away from open discourse. >> >> When is such toxic environment the only solution, even if it dose not work >> seems to be to get ride of the people dealing behind the curtains and >> enforcing a strict and over-bloated management scheme to squeezes the >> profit out of the people. >> >> An example from ecology. >> >> Like lets say I grow round up resistant GMO feed grass, and I plant out >> the GMO seeds and put the chemical fertilizers and the roundup to kill of >> anything else. I have created a toxic environment but there is this one >> homogenous thing that can survive it. >> >> Now lets say my brother is not as addicted to proprietary DNA crops and >> has chosen to select many plant to grow in harmony where they feed off each >> other and reads all these aquaculture journals. He saves a ton in crop >> interventions and is more resilient to weather changes and pest attacks, >> loosing only 5% or perhaps 10% in a bad incident, while my toxic homogenous >> growing is devastated while I am ruined. >> >> ok... fun example. >> >> If we can identify the cultural elements that makes the space hostile, >> that is not-safe or simply closed, then we can offer the middle managers a >> tool to measure there cultural aspect of there organizational health, >> innovation, learning and efficiency. Then we can propose an intervention >> (in the form of an open space), on how to move the organization from >> unhealthy culture to a healthy one where we marginalize the violence of >> silencing and where we keep the space save for us humans to grow and >> prosper. As this is needed for all leading organizational cultures. >> >> ... >> >> so for the questions... >> >> To find what one needs to know to do self-organization, I would argue that >> one needs to understand how to make the space safe and how to invite >> participation for a bodily real theme. This is a sponsors job, but he >> sometimes needs a teacher to help him know the difference. Basically the >> precondition and the how to stuff we preach as open spacers every day. >> >> To find out what one needs to know in order to be an expert in >> self-organization, I would argue that one needs to understand many of the >> different ways one can throw a spanner in the works and be able to identify >> when it is the cultural norm of the management and/or owners to do so, and >> also for what reasons this is done. This is interesting for me as I would >> love to grow in understanding on when things are wrong in the culture but >> tolerated for the cases I work with. It could bring out new themes to open >> space on, and to energize people to open it everywhere where the >> preconditions are present. I think a little research will help us do just >> that. >> >> >> / K?ri >> >> On 27 November 2014 at 01:25, John Baxter via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello facilitators of self organisation >>> >>> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or >>> 'practice'. >>> >>> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). >>> >>> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less >>> than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I >>> realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community >>> organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs >>> about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all). >>> >>> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research >>> project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. >>> >>> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are >>> - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? >>> - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? >>> >>> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow >>> wave rider: >>> >>> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? >>> Who should be involved in doing it? >>> >>> ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! >>> >>> *John Baxter* >>> *Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* >>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >>> 0405 447 829 >>> ? | ? >>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> >>> *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about >>> City Grill??!* >>> *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>* >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> >> >> -- >> K?ri Gunnarsson mark?j?lfi >> kari.gunnars...@simnet.is >> https://www.facebook.com/heimsmynd >> (+354) 864 5189 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/3c2b781c/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 10:46:50 -0500 > From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: "'John Baxter'" <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>, "'World wide Open Space > Technology email list'" <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: <000001d00beb$b1aa9130$14ffb390$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a > number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. > That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? > to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they > are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? James Gleick, and ?At > home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? > ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. > > > > Harrison > > > > Winter Address > > 7808 River Falls Drive > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > 301-365-2093 > > > > Summer Address > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. > > Camden, ME 04843 > > 207-763-3261 > > > > Websites > > www.openspaceworld.com > > www.ho-image.com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > John Baxter via OSList > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM > To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > > > Great idea Daniel > > > > Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - > did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), > but I know there is much more there. > > > > The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across > so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the > like... > > > > Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of > thing I imagine myself doing over summer. > > > > I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) > > > > If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from > the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > John Baxter > > Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator > > <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com > > 0405 447 829 > > ? | ? > > @ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> jsbaxter_ > > > > Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill! > > Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > > There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss > self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if > actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the > discussion. > > Example: stigmergy > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy > Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. > The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action > stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent. > > More details > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html > > Daniel > > > > > > On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: > > Hello facilitators of self organisation > > > > Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. > > > > I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). > > > > I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less > than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I > realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community > organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs > about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all). > > > > It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, > and sharing the results in a report or the like. > > > > Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are > > - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? > > - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? > > > > Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave > rider: > > > > What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? > > Who should be involved in doing it? > > > > ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! > > > > John Baxter > > Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator > > <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com > > 0405 447 829 > > ? | ? > > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > > > Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill > > ? ? > > ! > > Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -- > > Daniel Mezick, President > > New Technology Solutions Inc. > > (203) 915 7248 <tel:%28203%29%20915%207248> (cell) > > Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/> . Blog <http://newtechusa.net/blog/> > . Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/> . > > Examine my new book: The Culture Game > <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/> : Tools for the Agile > Manager. > > Explore Agile Team Training > <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching. > <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/> > > Explore the Agile Boston <http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/> Community. > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/8660162a/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 09:17:52 -0900 > From: Julie Smith via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net>, World wide Open Space > Technology email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: <5480558d-a108-45c6-919e-0f6419d9b...@mosquitonet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear all ~ > > In Not-Two Is Peace Adi Da sometimes lists self-organizing with > self-rightening and self-correcting in a way that infers these are > complementary concepts. I wonder if in some ways these terms are > interchangeable. I?m thinking about this question because I recently noticed > this statement about the relationship between systems and self-correction: > > ?Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case > globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just > careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable that > it is going to self-destruct.? > > The context for this comment is an essay on rightening the current global > instability, but perhaps there is something in the essay that may move the > more general conversation about self-organization forward. This is a brief > essay, so I?ll share it in its entirety here for anyone who might be > interested: > > On Establishing Rules of Participation For A Global Cooperative Order > > 6.1 Presently, the international community has no effective way of dealing > with geopolitical issues, because it is fundamentally about ?tribes? in > competition with one another. There is no force that embodies everybody and > that, therefore, can effectively deal with the system as a whole. > > 6.2 Bits of the system are always confronting one another. Therefore, those > who hold out or want to ?play it hard? wind up controlling the whole system. > > 6.3 In general, the so-called ?big powers? are bypassing rules and playing > for dominance. But everybody is playing their part in the ?tribal? > struggle-game, which is not in the interest of humankind, and it is not > survivable. > > 6.4 Rules and accountability are essential for any system. Any notion that > you can bypass such accountability is a lie in the name of serving some kind > of ?self?-interest. And this disposition is creating every crisis. > > 6.5 Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the case > globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore. It is just > careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels. It is inevitable that > it is going to self-destruct. > > 6.6 Therefore, the international power-struggles have to be replaced by a > systems-based order with rules and limits established. It is only when the > system can represent itself as a totality and keep its rules in front of > everyone that the system can correct itself. > > 6.7 A rational and positive global situation requires rules for > participation, based on global interdependence and prior unity?rather than > being based on nation-states or other groups engaging in reactive measures in > the face of being provoked or (otherwise) acting aggressively to extend their > influence. > > 6.8 The process for dealing with global realities should not be merely > punitive. Rules for participation should be established?and then doors would > be either opened or closed, based on whether any given nation-state or other > entity abides by those rules. > > 6.9 Participation should be the one thing everybody values?not competition, > not dominance and victory over all, but participation in a global system that > allows every nation-state, every human domain, to survive and enjoy essential > well-being and the growth potential and benefits of participation in the > whole. > > 6.10 The rules of participation in the global community should not be > arbitrary, or set up to favor certain parties over others. The rules of > participation should establish positive and equal participation for everyone, > with no double standards that require some to obey the rules while others do > not. > > 6.11 The Global Cooperative Forum is the system of everybody-all-at-once > reasserting itself and establishing rules of participation that put all > matters of global business equitably on the table?including matters of severe > chronic conflict, competition for resources, degradation of the environment > and disruption of weather-patterns, poverty, disease, and so forth. > > 6.12 Right rules of participation will establish an entirely different > principle than nation-state competitiveness. It will allow humankind as a > whole to become a functioning system?a system to which all parties get access > by fulfilling certain obligations and responsibilities, which apply > everywhere. > > The full text of Not-Two Is Peace is available through bookstores, via Kindle > download, or at http://www.da-peace.org <http://www.da-peace.org/>. > > All best wishes ~ > > Julie > > >> On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList >> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >> John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a >> number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. >> That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? >> to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they >> are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? James Gleick, and ?At >> home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with >> ?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful >> strands. >> >> Harrison >> >> Winter Address >> 7808 River Falls Drive >> Potomac, MD 20854 >> 301-365-2093 >> >> Summer Address >> 189 Beaucaire Ave. >> Camden, ME 04843 >> 207-763-3261 >> >> Websites >> www.openspaceworld.com <x-msg://2/%20www.openspaceworld.com> >> www.ho-image.com <x-msg://2/www.ho-image.com> >> OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of >> OSLIST Go >> to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >> >> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of >> John Baxter via OSList >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM >> To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list >> Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' >> >> Great idea Daniel >> >> Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne >> - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), >> but I know there is much more there. >> >> The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across >> so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the >> like... >> >> Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind >> of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. >> >> I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) >> >> If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems >> from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. >> >> Cheers >> >> >> John Baxter >> Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator >> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >> 0405 447 829 >> ? | ? >> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >> >> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >> Grill! >> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList >> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> >> wrote: >> There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely >> discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder >> if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the >> discussion. >> >> Example: stigmergy >> https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy >> <https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy> >> Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. >> The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action >> stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different >> agent. >> >> More details >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html >> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html> >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html >> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html> >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html >> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html> >> http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html >> <http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html> >> >> Daniel >> >> >> >>> On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: >>> Hello facilitators of self organisation >>> >>> Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. >>> >>> I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). >>> >>> I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less >>> than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I >>> realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community >>> organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs >>> about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all). >>> >>> It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research >>> project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. >>> >>> Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are >>> - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? >>> - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? >>> >>> Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow >>> wave rider: >>> >>> What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? >>> Who should be involved in doing it? >>> >>> ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! >>> >>> John Baxter >>> Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator >>> jsbaxter.com.au <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/> >>> 0405 447 829 >>> ? | ? >>> @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> >>> >>> Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City >>> Grill >>> ? ? >>> ! >>> Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ >>> <http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >> -- >> Daniel Mezick, President >> >> New Technology Solutions Inc. >> >> (203) 915 7248 <tel:%28203%29%20915%207248> (cell) >> >> Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/>. Blog <http://newtechusa.net/blog/>. >> Twitter <http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/>. >> >> Examine my new book: The Culture Game? >> <http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/>: Tools for the Agile >> Manager. >> >> Explore Agile Team Training >> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/> and Coaching. >> <http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/> >> Explore the Agile Boston? <http://newtechusa.net/user-groups/ma/>Community. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> <mailto:OSList@lists.openspacetech.org> >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> <mailto:oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org> >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >> <http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> OSList mailing list >> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/3b1c1c7b/attachment-0001.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:32:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Artur Silva via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net>, 'John Baxter' > <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>, 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>, World wide Open Space Technology > email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: > > <736524569.2558038.1417285937367.javamail.ya...@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi people out there, > I wouldalso recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and Stengers and, > also fromthe same authors: " "The New Alliance: Metamorphosis of Science". > (Idon't know if there is an English translation: as I only find it in > French,Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an > Anthropologist,but are written for the lay person.? > > > ? > And,yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann ?is a must,even if more > complex. > > > ? > I have manydoubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a > single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. > Itis like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" withoutreferring > Darwin... ? > > > ? > Regards > > > ? > Artur > > > From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: 'John Baxter' <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>; 'World wide Open Space Technology > email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > #yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 -- _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 > 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 > 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 > 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;} > _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 p.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 > li.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 div.yiv2489568878MsoNormal > {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 a:link, > #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 a:visited, > #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 pre > {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 > span.yiv2489568878HTMLPreformatte > dChar {font-family:Consolas;}#yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878EmailStyle20 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2489568878 .yiv2489568878MsoChpDefault {} _filtered > #yiv2489568878 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2489568878 > div.yiv2489568878WordSection1 {}#yiv2489568878 John ? the literature on self > organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since > I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books > that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are > still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya > Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart > Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written > and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. ?Harrison ?Winter Address7808 > River Falls DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093 ?Summer Address189 Beaucaire > Ave.Camden, ME 04843207-763-3261 ?Websites > www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST To subscri > be, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ? > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > John Baxter via OSList > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM > To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from > Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public > book in the works now), but I know there is much more there. ?The main > references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I > have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like... > ?Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind > of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to > my reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text > in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your > recommendation. ?Cheers > ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide > Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ > ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ ? ?On Fri, > Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:There are many well-established words > that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological > and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined > words might be helpful in the discussion. > > Example: stigmergy > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy > Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. > The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action > stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent. > > More details > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html > > Daniel > > On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: > Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to consider self > organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a summer project at the > moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have been reading and learning all I > can about self org.? There is less than I expected at the heart of self org > practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in > governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, > systems...).? There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, > if it is anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through > a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. > ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what does someone > need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what would someone need to > know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would appreciate your perspective, as a > practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think > deserves t > o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for contributing to > the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide > Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | ?@jsbaxter_ > ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill ? ?!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ ? > ?_______________________________________________OSList mailing listTo post > send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to > OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo subscribe or manage your subscription > click > below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > ?-- Daniel Mezick, PresidentNew Technology Solutions Inc.(203) 915 7248 > (cell)Bio. Blog. Twitter.?Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for > the Agile Manager.Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.Explore the Agile > Boston Community.? > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ? > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/f039bf84/attachment-0002.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:32:17 +0000 (UTC) > From: Artur Silva via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net>, 'John Baxter' > <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>, 'World wide Open Space Technology email list' > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>, World wide Open Space Technology > email list <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: > > <736524569.2558038.1417285937367.javamail.ya...@jws10635.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi people out there, > I wouldalso recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and Stengers and, > also fromthe same authors: " "The New Alliance: Metamorphosis of Science". > (Idon't know if there is an English translation: as I only find it in > French,Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an > Anthropologist,but are written for the lay person.? > > > ? > And,yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann ?is a must,even if more > complex. > > > ? > I have manydoubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a > single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. > Itis like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" withoutreferring > Darwin... ? > > > ? > Regards > > > ? > Artur > > > From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: 'John Baxter' <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>; 'World wide Open Space Technology > email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > #yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 -- _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 > 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 > 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Tahoma;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 > 5 4 4 2 4;} _filtered #yiv2489568878 {panose-1:2 11 6 3 2 2 2 2 2 4;} > _filtered #yiv2489568878 {font-family:Consolas;panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 > 4;}#yiv2489568878 #yiv2489568878 p.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 > li.yiv2489568878MsoNormal, #yiv2489568878 div.yiv2489568878MsoNormal > {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 a:link, > #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 a:visited, > #yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2489568878 p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 pre > {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv2489568878 > span.yiv2489568878HTMLPreformatte > dChar {font-family:Consolas;}#yiv2489568878 span.yiv2489568878EmailStyle20 > {color:#1F497D;}#yiv2489568878 .yiv2489568878MsoChpDefault {} _filtered > #yiv2489568878 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}#yiv2489568878 > div.yiv2489568878WordSection1 {}#yiv2489568878 John ? the literature on self > organization is massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since > I felt myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books > that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are > still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya > Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? Stuart > Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is the best written > and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. ?Harrison ?Winter Address7808 > River Falls DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093 ?Summer Address189 Beaucaire > Ave.Camden, ME 04843207-763-3261 ?Websites > www.openspaceworld.comwww.ho-image.comOSLIST To subscri > be, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ? > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > John Baxter via OSList > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM > To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from > Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public > book in the works now), but I know there is much more there. ?The main > references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across so far, I > have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the like... > ?Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind > of thing I imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to > my reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text > in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your > recommendation. ?Cheers > ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide > Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ > ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ ? ?On Fri, > Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:There are many well-established words > that are used to more precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological > and social sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined > words might be helpful in the discussion. > > Example: stigmergy > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy > Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. > The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action > stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent. > > More details > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html > > Daniel > > On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: > Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to consider self > organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a summer project at the > moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have been reading and learning all I > can about self org.? There is less than I expected at the heart of self org > practice, but much more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in > governance, democracy, community organising, management, change, > systems...).? There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, > if it is anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through > a focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the like. > ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what does someone > need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what would someone need to > know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would appreciate your perspective, as a > practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think > deserves t > o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for contributing to > the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide > Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | ?@jsbaxter_ > ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill ? ?!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ ? > ?_______________________________________________OSList mailing listTo post > send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.orgTo unsubscribe send an email to > OSList-leave@lists.openspacetech.orgTo subscribe or manage your subscription > click > below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > ?-- Daniel Mezick, PresidentNew Technology Solutions Inc.(203) 915 7248 > (cell)Bio. Blog. Twitter.?Examine my new book:? The Culture Game : Tools for > the Agile Manager.Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching.Explore the Agile > Boston Community.? > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ? > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141129/f039bf84/attachment-0003.htm> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:24:26 -0500 > From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: "'Artur Silva'" <arturfsi...@yahoo.com>, "'World wide Open Space > Technology email list'" <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self > organisation' > Message-ID: <002d01d00c0a$17368680$45a39380$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Artur ... no doubt Gleick missed a beat ... to say nothing of one of the most > critical players in the emerging understanding of Self Organization. That > said, James is a marvelous writer, and the stories he does tell are (I think) > superbly done. As it happens, I was personally connected to one or two of > them, and his descriptions and my experience correlate highly. So I would say > read him for what he wrote, and forgive the rest. > > > > Harrison > > > > Winter Address > > 7808 River Falls Drive > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > 301-365-2093 > > > > Summer Address > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. > > Camden, ME 04843 > > 207-763-3261 > > > > Websites > > www.openspaceworld.com > > www.ho-image.com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > Artur Silva via OSList > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:32 PM > To: Harrison Owen; 'John Baxter'; 'World wide Open Space Technology email > list'; World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > > > Hi people out there, > > > > I would also recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and Stengers and, > also from the same authors: " "The New Alliance: Metamorphosis of Science". > (I don't know if there is an English translation: as I only find it in > French, Spanish and Italian...). They are both written by a Physicist and an > Anthropologist, but are written for the lay person. > > > > And, yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann is a must, even if more > complex. > > > > I have many doubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not even a > single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the entire book. > It is like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" without referring > Darwin... > > > > Regards > > > > Artur > > > > _____ > > From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > To: 'John Baxter' <j...@jsbaxter.com.au>; 'World wide Open Space Technology > email list' <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > > > John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be honest a > number of years have passed since I felt myself to be marginally informed. > That said, there are three books that I found to be most helpful, and all ? > to the best of my knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they > are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? James Gleick, and ?At > home in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? > ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands. > > > > Harrison > > > > Winter Address > > 7808 River Falls Drive > > Potomac, MD 20854 > > 301-365-2093 > > > > Summer Address > > 189 Beaucaire Ave. > > Camden, ME 04843 > > 207-763-3261 > > > > Websites > > www.openspaceworld.com > > www.ho-image.com > > OSLIST To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your options, view the archives of > OSLIST Go > to:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > > > From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of > John Baxter via OSList > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM > To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list > Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation' > > > > Great idea Daniel > > > > Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - > did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works now), > but I know there is much more there. > > > > The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come across > so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and the > like... > > > > Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of > thing I imagine myself doing over summer. > > > > I've now saved those links to my reference list : ) > > > > If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems from > the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation. > > > > Cheers > > > > > > > John Baxter > > Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator > > <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com > <http://cocreateadl.com/> > > 0405 447 829 > > ? | ? > > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > > > Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill! > > Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList > <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: > > There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss > self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if > actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in the > discussion. > > Example: stigmergy > https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy > Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or actions. > The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an action > stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a different agent. > > More details > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html > http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html > > Daniel > > > > On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote: > > Hello facilitators of self organisation > > > > Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. > > > > I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). > > > > I have been reading and learning all I can about self org. There is less > than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I > realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, community > organising, management, change, systems...). There are also unanswered Qs > about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it is anything at all). > > > > It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research project, > and sharing the results in a report or the like. > > > > Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are > > - what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"? > > - what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? > > > > Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave > rider: > > > > What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done? > > Who should be involved in doing it? > > > > ?Thank you for contributing to the quest! > > > > John Baxter > > Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator > > <http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com > <http://cocreateadl.com/> > > 0405 447 829 > > ? | ? > > @jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_> > > > > Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City > Grill > > ? ? > > ! > > Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > OSList mailing list > To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org > To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org > To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: > http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org > > > > -- > > Daniel Mezick, President > > New Technology Solutions Inc. > > (203) 915 7248 (cell) > > Bio <http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/> . 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