Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25

Sun, 30 Nov 2014 07:09:37 -0800 (PST) 

Hi Anne,
Roberta my wife and I recently viewed a show on TV together (NOVA) about "sociobiology." And there was this scientist E.O. Wilson. He's this weird guy that studies ants. And this term "stigmergy" comes up during the viewing. 


Later, we discuss the topics of ants and signaling. We discuss ants, 
signs, signals, symbols and words. Words like "music." We discuss how 
some truly great musicians play from pure feel, and cannot "read" music 
at all, and may in fact "be illiterate." They play the instrument using 
here-and-now sensing, and feelings. They make amazing sounds.



How the instrument physically makes sound can be precisely described. 
Yet how the musician makes his or her sound cannot. And we discuss how 
some people are very good at using the instrument to make a very 
specific sound (without being able to clearly explain how) while others 
are good at describing in general terms how the instrument can produce 
many sounds (without being good at making any pleasing sounds at all 
with the instrument.)



Today we talked about Open Space in light of the word 'stigmergy' and 
this show on NOVA, and music.



And how perhaps Open Space is maybe a kind of instrument. That produces 
vibrations. Some folks just know how to play the instrument to produce 
very specific, purposeful, pleasing vibrations. Another set of people 
can clearly explain how the instrument can produce arbitrary vibrations. 
And how maybe some people belong to both groups, and can play the 
instrument well, and also clearly explain how it actually the instrument 
makes various vibrations.




Daniel






On 11/30/14 12:12 AM, Anne Stadler via OSList wrote:

Re studying self-organization
Thanks all.

Yes HO all IS self-organization.

However i'm not interested in just any kind of self organization.  OST 
or Opening space is oriented to facilitating self authorization; ease 
of emergence; rapid achievement of flow state and high degree of 
coherence.  That's my experience gained in a seven year experiment in 
using OST to evolve an Open Space Learning Community of Practice 
(Spirited Work).



So one thing that pops out for me if one were to research this, maybe 
one needs to track a few things:

1.  Level of self authorization?
2.  Ease of initiating
3.  Ease of emergence
4.  Level of group flow state?
5.  Level of group coherence?


Another observation: re using "well-established words".  As an example 
you gave us "stigmergy", Daniel. Where is that "well-established"? 
 Except in certain academic fields?  I am a "first follower" Open 
Spacer (that is literally true! Since 1989).  I have no idea what 
you're talking about, i'm sorry to say.  So If you're also interested 
in influencing and involving users of OST, I would encourage no 
professional jargon, if possible. It renders the enterprise 
meaningless to an person for whom OST taps into natural human patterns 
and ways of collaboration.


Thanks for this conversation you all!

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Great idea Daniel


Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in 
Melbourne

- did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book in the works
now), but I know there is much more there.


The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come 
across

so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of print and
the like...


Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the 
kind

of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.

I've now saved those links to my reference list : )

If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org systems
from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your recommendation.

Cheers


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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList <

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There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely

discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I 
wonder
if actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful 
in the

discussion.

Example: stigmergy
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy
*Stigmergy* is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by an
action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or a
different agent.

More details
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html

http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html

Daniel



On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation

Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or
'practice'.

I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern
hemisphere!).

I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is

less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much 
more than
I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, 
community
organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also 
unanswered Qs

about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).

It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.

Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are
- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?
- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?

Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow
wave rider:

What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?
Who should be involved in doing it?

?Thank you for contributing to the quest!

*John Baxter*
*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*

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Thanks for the steer Patricia, I will look into self advocacy.

I hope I can produce something by the end of summer that would be very
useful for challenges like yours with org management!  (And mean me not
writing this all out by hand)

Some of the loose ends I have collected so far that might be relevant
(though they might also be rabbit holes)...

Some of the general concepts:
- 'agile' management... in fact there is agile or lean *everything* these
days... and Kaizen
<http://www.amazon.com/Creating-Kaizen-Culture-Organization-Breakthrough/dp/0071826858/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1385383786&sr=8-1&keywords=jon+miller+kaizen>,
and other concepts from software and manufacturing
- 'adaptive' leadership, management and everything else
- generative organisation
<http://authenticorganizations.com/harquail/2013/12/11/whats-a-generative-organization/#comment-56686>
(and
thriveability)

More specific models:
- Holocracy governance model (TEDx video of main concept
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR-8AOccyj4&feature=youtube_gdata_player>,
solid review in context of governance practices
<http://enterprise20blog.com/2014/01/09/holacracy-logical-step-evolution-organization/>
)
- Swarmwise
<http://falkvinge.net/2013/02/14/swarmwise-the-tactical-manual-to-changing-the-world-chapter-one/>,
tactical manual for operating a Pirate Party (as per Sweden)
- Collective Impact
<http://go.delicious.com/?id=63408X1518852&xs=1&url=http://vibrantcanada.ca/content/making-collective-impact-work&sref=https://delicious.com/jsbaxter/search/collective>
(it's not specifically for organisations, but yes it is a model for
governance-without-control, this has lots of good articles
<http://collectiveimpactaustralia.com/>)

And relevant for 'how to be a manager'
- Harrison's *Wave Rider* (obviously)
- Peter Block's *Stewardship*


Interested to hear what references and ideas you find most useful 
Patricia.


Cheers


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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:31 AM, Patricia Haines 
<levelgreen2...@gmail.com <mailto:levelgreen2...@gmail.com>>

wrote:


I like this idea. There's an important movement among and for adults 
with
developmental disabilities called "self advocacy". This is 
self-organizing

on individual, group and organizational levels.

I'm also interested in how OS and self-organization can play out in
non-profit management. I'm reorganizing the Level Green Board, want to
operate on OS principles. Any thoughts along such lines?

Patricia Gooding (aka Haines)

Level Green Institute: fostering just & sustainable community through

education and the arts, in the democratic spirit of the Grundtvigian 
Folk

School

On Nov 26, 2014, at 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList <

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Hello facilitators of self organisation

Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or
'practice'.


I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern 
hemisphere!).



I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is 
less

than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I

realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, 
community
organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also 
unanswered Qs

about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).

It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.

Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are
- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?
- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?

Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow
wave rider:

What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?
Who should be involved in doing it?

?Thank you for contributing to the quest!

*John Baxter*
*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*

jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au> 
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com>

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Hi Kari

We might be thinking more in parallel than aligned.


I very much doubt I will submit anything to an academic journal... I 
can't

imagine many processes less pleasant!  Though I could find parts to spin
off into trade journals and the like.

But if others are already researching in an aligned field (are you
yourself?) I would be very happy to partner or pass on anything I produce
for publication.  Could you imagine a situation like that?

In the context of the rigours and process of academic research, my own

thoughts are closer to a literature review than a genuine research 
question.


Cheers


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On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 2:25 AM, K?ri Gunnarsson 
<kari.gunnars...@simnet.is <mailto:kari.gunnars...@simnet.is>>

wrote:


Hi John


As an academic researcher I say ... yes, this needs to become, ... I 
like
to see theorizing and testing, and more papers in academic journals 
for me

to site.


If we take the hypothesis from Owen that there is always 
self-organization
at work, now in what conditions is this self-organization not 
functioning

well.

I would argue that we can find cultural elements that are toxic to
self-organization, site lining it, driving it away from open discourse.


When is such toxic environment the only solution, even if it dose 
not work

seems to be to get ride of the people dealing behind the curtains and
enforcing a strict and over-bloated management scheme to squeezes the
profit out of the people.

An example from ecology.

Like lets say I grow round up resistant GMO feed grass, and I plant out

the GMO seeds and put the chemical fertilizers and the roundup to 
kill of

anything else. I have created a toxic environment but there is this one
homogenous thing that can survive it.

Now lets say my brother is not as addicted to proprietary DNA crops and

has chosen to select many plant to grow in harmony where they feed 
off each

other and reads all these aquaculture journals. He saves a ton in crop
interventions and is more resilient to weather changes and pest attacks,

loosing only 5% or perhaps 10% in a bad incident, while my toxic 
homogenous

growing is devastated while I am ruined.

ok... fun example.

If we can identify the cultural elements that makes the space hostile,

that is not-safe or simply closed, then we can offer the middle 
managers a

tool to measure there cultural aspect of there organizational health,
innovation, learning and efficiency. Then we can propose an intervention
(in the form of an open space), on how to move the organization from
unhealthy culture to a healthy one where we marginalize the violence of
silencing and where we keep the space save for us humans to grow and
prosper. As this is needed for all leading organizational cultures.

...

so for the questions...


To find what one needs to know to do self-organization, I would 
argue that

one needs to understand how to make the space safe and how to invite
participation for a bodily real theme. This is a sponsors job, but he
sometimes needs a teacher to help him know the difference. Basically the
precondition and the how to stuff we preach as open spacers every day.

To find out what one needs to know in order to be an expert in

self-organization, I would argue that one needs to understand many 
of the
different ways one can throw a spanner in the works and be able to 
identify
when it is the cultural norm of the management and/or owners to do 
so, and
also for what reasons this is done. This is interesting for me as I 
would
love to grow in understanding on when things are wrong in the 
culture but
tolerated for the cases I work with. It could bring out new themes 
to open

space on, and to energize people to open it everywhere where the

preconditions are present. I think a little research will help us do 
just

that.


/ K?ri

On 27 November 2014 at 01:25, John Baxter via OSList <

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Hello facilitators of self organisation

Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or
'practice'.


I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern 
hemisphere!).



I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There 
is less

than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than I

realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, 
community
organising, management, change, systems...).  There are also 
unanswered Qs

about what 'self org' *is* (indeed, if it is anything at all).

It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.

Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are
- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?
- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?

Would appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow
wave rider:

What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?
Who should be involved in doing it?

?Thank you for contributing to the quest!

*John Baxter*
*Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator*

jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au> 
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com 
<http://CoCreateADL.com>

0405 447 829
? | ?
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John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be 
honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be 
marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to 
be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in 
print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya 
Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? 
Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is 
the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands.




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Great idea Daniel




Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in 
Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book 
in the works now), but I know there is much more there.





The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come 
across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of 
print and the like...





Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the 
kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.




I've now saved those links to my reference list : )




If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org 
systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your 
recommendation.




Cheers






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There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely 
discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I 
wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be 
helpful in the discussion.


Example: stigmergy
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy

Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or 
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by 
an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or 
a different agent.


More details
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html

Daniel





On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation




Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 
'practice'.





I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern 
hemisphere!).





I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is 
less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more 
than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, 
democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). 
 There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it 
is anything at all).





It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research 
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.




Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are

- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?

- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?




Would appreciate your perspective, as a 
practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:




What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?

Who should be involved in doing it?



?Thank you for contributing to the quest!



John Baxter

Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator


<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au 
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Dear all ~


In Not-Two Is Peace Adi Da sometimes lists self-organizing with 
self-rightening and self-correcting in a way that infers these are 
complementary concepts.  I wonder if in some ways these terms are 
interchangeable.  I?m thinking about this question because I recently 
noticed this statement about the relationship between systems and 
self-correction:



?Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now the 
case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore.  It is 
just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels.  It is 
inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.?



The context for this comment is an essay on rightening the current 
global instability, but perhaps there is something in the essay that 
may move the more general conversation about self-organization 
forward.  This is a brief essay, so I?ll share it in its entirety 
here for anyone who might be interested:


On Establishing Rules of Participation For A Global Cooperative Order


6.1  Presently, the international community has no effective way of 
dealing with geopolitical issues, because it is fundamentally about 
?tribes? in competition with one another.  There is no force that 
embodies everybody and that, therefore, can effectively deal with the 
system as a whole.



6.2  Bits of the system are always confronting one another. 
 Therefore, those who hold out or want to ?play it hard? wind up 
controlling the whole system.



6.3  In general, the so-called ?big powers? are bypassing rules and 
playing for dominance.  But everybody is playing their part in the 
?tribal? struggle-game, which is not in the interest of humankind, 
and it is not survivable.



6.4  Rules and accountability are essential for any system.  Any 
notion that you can bypass such accountability is a lie in the name 
of serving some kind of ?self?-interest.  And this disposition is 
creating every crisis.



6.5  Systems self-correct, but when you bypass the system, as is now 
the case globally, then the system cannot correct itself anymore.  It 
is just careening downhill with a stave shoved in the wheels.  It is 
inevitable that it is going to self-destruct.



6.6  Therefore, the international power-struggles have to be replaced 
by a systems-based order with rules and limits established.  It is 
only when the system can represent itself as a totality and keep its 
rules in front of everyone that the system can correct itself.



6.7  A rational and positive global situation requires rules for 
participation, based on global interdependence and prior unity?rather 
than being based on nation-states or other groups engaging in 
reactive measures in the face of being provoked or (otherwise) acting 
aggressively to extend their influence.



6.8  The process for dealing with global realities should not be 
merely punitive.  Rules for participation should be established?and 
then doors would be either opened or closed, based on whether any 
given nation-state or other entity abides by those rules.



6.9  Participation should be the one thing everybody values?not 
competition, not dominance and victory over all, but participation in 
a global system that allows every nation-state, every human domain, 
to survive and enjoy essential well-being and the growth potential 
and benefits of participation in the whole.



6.10  The rules of participation in the global community should not 
be arbitrary, or set up to favor certain parties over others.  The 
rules of participation should establish positive and equal 
participation for everyone, with no double standards that require 
some to obey the rules while others do not.



6.11  The Global Cooperative Forum is the system of 
everybody-all-at-once reasserting itself and establishing rules of 
participation that put all matters of global business equitably on 
the table?including matters of severe chronic conflict, competition 
for resources, degradation of the environment and disruption of 
weather-patterns, poverty, disease, and so forth.



6.12  Right rules of participation will establish an entirely 
different principle than nation-state competitiveness.  It will allow 
humankind as a whole to become a functioning system?a system to which 
all parties get access by fulfilling certain obligations and 
responsibilities, which apply everywhere.



The full text of Not-Two Is Peace is available through bookstores, 
via Kindle download, or at http://www.da-peace.org 
<http://www.da-peace.org/>.


All best wishes ~

Julie



On Nov 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
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John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be 
honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be 
marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found 
to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are 
still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? 
Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the 
Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? 
which is the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands.


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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM
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Great idea Daniel


Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in 
Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book 
in the works now), but I know there is much more there.



The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come 
across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out 
of print and the like...



Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly 
the kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.


I've now saved those links to my reference list : )


If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org 
systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your 
recommendation.


Cheers


John Baxter
Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator

jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au> 
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com 
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<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
There are many well-established words that are used to more 
precisely discuss self "organization" in the biological and social 
sciences. I wonder if actively using some of these well-defined 
words might be helpful in the discussion.


Example: stigmergy

https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy>
Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or 
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by 
an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same 
or a different agent.


More details

http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html 
<http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html>
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html 
<http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html>

http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html 
<http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html>

http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html 
<http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html>


Daniel



On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation


Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 
'practice'.



I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern 
hemisphere!).



I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There 
is less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much 
more than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, 
democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). 
 There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if 
it is anything at all).



It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research 
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.


Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are
- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?
- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?


Would appreciate your perspective, as a 
practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:


What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?
Who should be involved in doing it?

?Thank you for contributing to the quest!

John Baxter
Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator

jsbaxter.com.au <http://jsbaxter.com.au> 
<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> | CoCreateADL.com 
<http://CoCreateADL.com> <http://cocreateadl.com/>

0405 447 829
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about City Grill

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Hi people out there,

I wouldalso recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and 
Stengers and, also fromthe same authors: " "The New Alliance: 
Metamorphosis of Science". (Idon't know if there is an English 
translation: as I only find it in French,Spanish and Italian...). 
They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist,but are 
written for the lay person.?



?

And,yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann ?is a must,even if 
more complex.



?

I have manydoubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not 
even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the 
entire book. Itis like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" 
withoutreferring Darwin... ?



?
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?
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knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order 
out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home 
in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with 
?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of 
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM
To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list

Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self 
organisation' ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from 
Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy 
and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is 
much more there. ?The main references to self organisation in the 
sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track 
down due to being out of print and the like... ?Tracking down such 
refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I 
imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to my 
reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic 
text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd 
appreciate your recommendation. ?Cheers
?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide 
Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?| 
CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who 
came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and 
links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ 
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2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:There are many 
well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self 
"organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if 
actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in 
the discussion.


Example: stigmergy
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy

Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or 
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by 
an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or 
a different agent.


More details
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html

Daniel

On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to 
consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a 
summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have 
been reading and learning all I can about self org.? There is less 
than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than 
I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, 
community organising, management, change, systems...).? There are 
also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, if it is 
anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a 
focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the 
like. ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what 
does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what 
would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would 
appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow 
wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think deserves t
o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for 
contributing to the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & 
?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au 
<http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | 
?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the 
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From: Artur Silva via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
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Hi people out there,

I wouldalso recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and 
Stengers and, also fromthe same authors: " "The New Alliance: 
Metamorphosis of Science". (Idon't know if there is an English 
translation: as I only find it in French,Spanish and Italian...). 
They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist,but are 
written for the lay person.?



?

And,yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann ?is a must,even if 
more complex.



?

I have manydoubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not 
even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the 
entire book. Itis like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" 
withoutreferring Darwin... ?



?
Regards


?
Artur



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massive, and to be honest a number of years have passed since I felt 
myself to be marginally informed. That said, there are three books 
that I found to be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my 
knowledge ? are still in print. In historical order they are: ?Order 
out of Chaos,? Ilya Prigogine, ?Chaos,? ?James Gleick, and ?At home 
in the Universe? Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with 
?Chaos? ? which is the best written and pulls together lots of 
wonderful strands.  ?Harrison ?Winter Address7808 River Falls 
DrivePotomac, MD 20854301-365-2093 ?Summer Address189 Beaucaire 
Ave.Camden, ME 04843207-763-3261 ?Websites 
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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On 
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM
To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list

Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self 
organisation' ?Great idea Daniel ?Stigmergy I am familiar with (from 
Mark et al from Collabforge in Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy 
and collaboration! Public book in the works now), but I know there is 
much more there. ?The main references to self organisation in the 
sciences I have come across so far, I have not been able to track 
down due to being out of print and the like... ?Tracking down such 
refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the kind of thing I 
imagine myself doing over summer. ?I've now saved those links to my 
reference list : ) ?If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic 
text in self-org systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd 
appreciate your recommendation. ?Cheers
?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide 
Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au <http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?| 
CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829? | ?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who 
came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and 
links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ 
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> ? ?On Fri, Nov 28, 
2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:There are many 
well-established words that are used to more precisely discuss self 
"organization" in the biological and social sciences. I wonder if 
actively using some of these well-defined words might be helpful in 
the discussion.


Example: stigmergy
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy

Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or 
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by 
an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or 
a different agent.


More details
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html

Daniel

On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation ?Let's take a moment to 
consider self organisation, as 'field' or 'practice'. ?I am scoping a 
summer project at the moment (in the southern hemisphere!). ?I have 
been reading and learning all I can about self org.? There is less 
than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more than 
I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, democracy, 
community organising, management, change, systems...).? There are 
also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is?(indeed, if it is 
anything at all). ?It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a 
focused research project, and sharing the results in a report or the 
like. ?Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are- what 
does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?- what 
would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org? ?Would 
appreciate your perspective, as a practitioner-facilitator-fellow 
wave rider: ?What (if anything) do you think deserves t
o be done?Who should be involved in doing it? ??Thank you for 
contributing to the quest! ?John BaxterCocreation Consultant & 
?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au 
<http://Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au>?| CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 ? | 
?@jsbaxter_ ?Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the 
good word about City Grill ? ?!Summary and links: 
cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ 
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/> ? 
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Artur ... no doubt Gleick missed a beat ... to say nothing of one of 
the most critical players in the emerging understanding of Self 
Organization. That said, James is a marvelous writer, and the stories 
he does tell are (I think) superbly done. As it happens, I was 
personally connected to one or two of them, and his descriptions and 
my experience correlate highly. So I would say read him for what he 
wrote, and forgive the rest.




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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:32 PM

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Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'



Hi people out there,




I would also recommend ?Order out of Chaos,? from Prigogine and 
Stengers and, also from the same authors: " "The New Alliance: 
Metamorphosis of Science". (I don't know if there is an English 
translation: as I only find it in French, Spanish and Italian...). 
They are both written by a Physicist and an Anthropologist, but are 
written for the lay person.





And, yes, ?At home in the Universe? by Kauffmann  is a must, even if 
more complex.





I have many doubts about Gleick's book on "Chaos", as there is not 
even a single reference to Prigogine. He is not even mentioned in the 
entire book. It is like writing about "The Evolution of the Species" 
without referring Darwin...




Regards



Artur



 _____


From: Harrison Owen via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
To: 'John Baxter' <j...@jsbaxter.com.au 
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Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'




John ? the literature on self organization is massive, and to be 
honest a number of years have passed since I felt myself to be 
marginally informed. That said, there are three books that I found to 
be most helpful, and all ? to the best of my knowledge ? are still in 
print. In historical order they are: ?Order out of Chaos,? Ilya 
Prigogine, ?Chaos,?  James Gleick, and ?At home in the Universe? 
Stuart Kauffmann. I would suggest starting with ?Chaos? ? which is 
the best written and pulls together lots of wonderful strands.




Harrison



Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093



Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261



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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On 
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Sent: Friday, November 28, 2014 10:49 PM
To: Daniel Mezick; World wide Open Space Technology email list
Subject: Re: [OSList] Summer research project idea: 'self organisation'



Great idea Daniel




Stigmergy I am familiar with (from Mark et al from Collabforge in 
Melbourne - did his PhD on stigmergy and collaboration! Public book 
in the works now), but I know there is much more there.





The main references to self organisation in the sciences I have come 
across so far, I have not been able to track down due to being out of 
print and the like...





Tracking down such refs and mapping the gems from them is exactly the 
kind of thing I imagine myself doing over summer.




I've now saved those links to my reference list : )




If anyone can recommend a good primer or iconic text in self-org 
systems from the sciences (or otherwise) I'd appreciate your 
recommendation.




Cheers






John Baxter

Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator


<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au 
<http://jsbaxter.com.au> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com> 
<http://cocreateadl.com/>


0405 447 829

? | ?

@jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>




Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about 
City Grill!



Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ 
<http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/>







On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Daniel Mezick via OSList 
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:



There are many well-established words that are used to more precisely 
discuss self "organization" in the biological and social sciences. I 
wonder if actively using some of these well-defined words might be 
helpful in the discussion.


Example: stigmergy
https://www.google.com/search?q=define+stigmergy

Stigmergy is a mechanism of indirect coordination between agents or 
actions. The principle is that the trace left in the environment by 
an action stimulates the performance of a next action, by the same or 
a different agent.


More details
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/Stigmergy.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/StigmergyAndSelf.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/FourPrinciples.html
http://www.evolutionofcomputing.org/Multicellular/IntertwinedPrinciples.html

Daniel



On 11/26/14 8:25 PM, John Baxter via OSList wrote:

Hello facilitators of self organisation




Let's take a moment to consider self organisation, as 'field' or 
'practice'.





I am scoping a summer project at the moment (in the southern 
hemisphere!).





I have been reading and learning all I can about self org.  There is 
less than I expected at the heart of self org practice, but much more 
than I realised in intersecting fields (e.g. in governance, 
democracy, community organising, management, change, systems...). 
 There are also unanswered Qs about what 'self org' is (indeed, if it 
is anything at all).





It might be worthwhile formalising this, through a focused research 
project, and sharing the results in a report or the like.




Possible focus questions that come to mind for me are

- what does someone need to know to say "I do self organisation"?

- what would someone need to know to be an 'expert' in self org?




Would appreciate your perspective, as a 
practitioner-facilitator-fellow wave rider:




What (if anything) do you think deserves to be done?

Who should be involved in doing it?



?Thank you for contributing to the quest!



John Baxter

Cocreation Consultant & ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator


<http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/> jsbaxter.com.au 
<http://jsbaxter.com.au> | CoCreateADL.com <http://CoCreateADL.com> 
<http://cocreateadl.com/>


0405 447 829

? | ?

@jsbaxter_ <http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_>




Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about 
City Grill


? ?

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