Michael--

Got a picture or link about that robot gizmo? Sounds futuristic and a little scary!

:- Doug. Germann



On 08/31/2016 04:56 PM, Michael Herman via OSList wrote:
I watched a video yesterday from a recent conference, a traditional
affair with all shapes and sizes of workshop/presentation sessions.
This one I was watching had a sort of panel presentation, with five
different people sharing stories.  All of their stories were accompanied
by a powerpoint backdrop, but that is sort of forgivable since their
topic was specifically about visualization of complex work and
dynamics.  Would have been weird without some visuals to their stories
of visualizations.

The interesting thing is that one of the panelists was across an ocean.
He presented on the big screen, shared his screen to show his examples,
and all through the session he watched the audience and the other
speakers on his laptop.  He asked questions of the audience and got a
show of hands.  He was totally there.

So some of the wondering about face-to-face or online sounds like to me
a bit like asking if open space needs a fancy retreat setting or could
it happen in a ballroom or church basement or middle school gymnasium.
Online in just another place.  Wherever it happens, it's open space,
right enough.  You can search the archives for when Ralph Copleman had
us cooking up solutions for opening for a large-ish group on a beach.

In a session at the same conference I mentioned, we did two sessions on
distributed teamwork, where people from all over work on the same team
everyday.  We had 40-50 people in the room and another 10 or so online,
via sococo.com <http://sococo.com> and also using some little robot
gizmos each of which lets one person put their face on an ipad and
remotely control the neck that holds it, so they can turn their head,
nod, look up and down.

in a recent training conversation we boiled down the must-haves in open
space to just two.  we wiped out circle, postits, chairs, and so on.  we
decided the two essentials were people and a story.

so if the fifth principle works, online is just another place.  yes,
some places are better for us than others.  pillars are a hassle.  so's
not being able to see faces of other ppts.  not being able to move
myself between breakouts is pretty much like fixed theater seating.

what works online? pretty much what works everywhere else.  we need
people and a story, someplace to tell the story, so that implies a
gathering place.  we need a way to see other ppts, their faces and their
groupings in clusters of conversation.  we need a way to wander around
and get in other people's view, to be noticed, so we can say hello.  we
need a way to write and read topics for discussion and hang them
somewhere.  We need a way for anyone to ask the facilitator a question,
but ideally not in the middle of the opening briefing, or right as it
finishes.  A way to capture notes and share them with everyone.

The onscreen view can be very simple.  I'm wondering just now what it
would look like as a slightly larger than screen-sized space, so it
needed to be moved around and zoomed like a google map.  That's a
totally new idea for me, just now, and I think i do like that.  Zoom and
Slide in a big online working space.  Can you rig that up, Lucas?




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Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
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http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 9:45 AM, Peggy Holman via OSList
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    Makes me of the response from a techie on why they still have face
    to face meetings with all the tech available for communication:
    higher bandwidth.

    Ben — thanks for painting a terrific picture of the potential.

    Peggy



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    On Aug 31, 2016, at 5:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList
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    The story of OS and the Techies is a long one. As it happened, the
    folks who were present for the first OS, and subsequently
    constituted major parts of the early community were all Techies of
    a sort. Some of them actually designed systems and wrote code and
    others were more “eager participants” – that would include me. The
    new toy was Internet, which at the point we became involved was
    still property of the US Army and known as DARPA NET. The world
    changed under our feet, and the word “exciting” is pretty limp. ____
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    Early on some of the commercial techies thought they saw
    possibilities in OS. One group came to me with what they thought
    was a revolutionary idea: Set up a room full of laptops and have
    everybody communicate through them and a “master” screen set on
    the wall. The whole thing was prewired and magnificently packaged.
    They made their presentation, but their faces fell when I said,
    “Guys, we could actually talk to each other.”  In fact, I believe
    they made a fair amount of money selling the thing to corporations
    who were (had been) convinced that their executives were too shy,
    or whatever, to communicate directly, face to face. ____
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    The iterations have continued over the years. You know  the most
    recent ones, but there are more. I have always admired the energy
    and creativity. But at the end of the day, I really didn’t see
    much value added that couldn’t have been supplied (at much less
    cost) by the simple application of everyday, off the shelf kinds
    of stuff. I do grant that the proposed systems were an awful lot
    prettier – and I really was impressed with my electronic
    “birthday.” But from the very beginning it seemed to me that we
    were looking at a technology in search of an application. I
    totally understand the techie attraction, and I salute their
    tenacity….____
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    online” just doesn’t catch me. The comparison is indeed odious –
    but it rather reminds me of attempting to replicate making love. ____
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    open and massively potential… but we ain’t there yet. I don’t
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    NOW WHAT indeed!____

    No more apologies for getting carried away. Be it me bubbling
    forth with the feeling of "love",  a word I would not have dared
    utter loudly in public, most especially in professional contexts.
    Yet those feelings are undeniably there and I shall utter them as
    they happen. :-) So far I've survived speaking my mind... Even
    more it's blasted holes by opening more space that led to
    productive inspired work, in ways that made me happy I didn't keep
    my mouth shut. With guys and gals. ____

    Nor shall I hold back on what I envision in the virtual world.
    Beyond the so called internet. As one who has hosted often in my
    physical house and been similarly hosted in the homes of others, I
    know there is more to be invented there.
    While I may not be the one doing the inventing, I will gladly
    partake in the joy of this imagined future experience and I will
    wholeheartedly nudge, prod, and encourage those who passionately
    see beyond the reaches of what I see. ____

    So rather than a duel on the matter, what say you to a hearty
    Martini in Manila so I can paint a picture of what I see?____

    After all, you're the one who got me in this mess of Open Space
    with all this spirited wave rider stuff and grateful am I that it
    came my way!____

    From a happy Florida camper,
    Suzanne____

    On Aug 30, 2016 5:38 PM, "Harrison Owen" <hho...@verizon.net
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    > OK – You do get carried away for a bit! But you are right!! AND.
    Your imagination is exceeded only by reality!!! (“Today as I
    imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in
    to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
    pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
    To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
    Alan in Australia, etc. etc. etc.”)
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    again how passionate you, Ben Roberts, Brian Burt and others are
    about creating virtual experiences for others and with others.
    With the spirit and essence of Open Space. Thank you so very much!
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    Space events (Brené Brown and the Global Conversation - Maestro
    and Brian Burt) and Harrison's 80th Birthday Party (Lucas and
    Michael Herman)  last year and yes WOSonOS Florida too (Ben
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    Will Come" though not in developing, refining, improving or
    simplifying the mechanics of it in the backroom so all can go
    smooth in the virtual space. That is not my expertise or passion.
    It is the work of unsung heroes.
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    wonder if we could not create the feel of sitting in a circle
    without talking about a circle (like sitting around a campfire, in
    the comfort of your living room or around your kitchen table)?
    Rather than breakouts, could we have rooms and corners where
    people can go hang out?  Rather than a marketplace wall, it could
    be like going to a movie with a bill board that announces the
    movies that are playing. Then of course you could see who's there,
    in which room. People would instantly think this is really cool
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    Space; we don't talk about a circle, breakouts and stuff.  We
    simply invite from the purpose, theme or reason for meeting. In
    those first moments of sitting in a circle, looking at the floor
    and the marketplace wall, it all seems so foreign to people who
    have never experienced OS before. Why then should we bring these
    concepts into the virtual space?  We don't have to counteract the
    familiarity of a theatre style setting, reject the podium or a
    panel of speakers.
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    and getting things done from the comfort of our own home or office
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    explaining it that invites a degree of freedom that feels
    different, open and fun. People might attribute it to "this is how
    it happens virtually" and in the process they would be living the
    law of two feet. We'd be communicating intent as we give the
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    years ago that he pictured that some virtual meetings could be
    better than in person. I didn't quite believe him. Today as I
    imagine the possibility of  a Virtual House where I could drop in
    to just hang out with family, friends, colleagues and Open Space
    pals, from around the world, I know that this possibility exists.
    To see Tova in Israel, Claudia in Egypt, Sharon Joy in Manila,
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    simplest online Open Space experience using video chat.
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    you might have a moment to think about what online OS experience
    would work best for you, rather than letting my thoughts influence
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    > how many virtual breakout spaces there are
    > who is in each virtual space right now
    > what is being discussed now and in the future (a bulletin board
    / marketplace / idea wall)
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    step away for a moment").
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    you have in mind!
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    > Lucas Cioffi
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