not so sure that there is such a thing as 'loving indifference'. Love is....passionate, creative, life force and more.
Love plus detachment from outcome is a useful way for the facilitator to be. However, there is nothing wrong with positive expectancy......for the best possible outcomes, whatever they may be. I was picking up that it was not so useful to be in expectancy that community OST may not lead to actions. Blessings, Birgitt On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 10:42 AM Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com> wrote: > you remind me, paul, that often it's possible to ask one or more questions > in the invitation, following them with "that's what we want to find out." > i learned this from harrison years ago. it's like you say, loving > indifference to what actually happens, but not indifferent about finding > out. it's like the suspense of a good story. we want and can feel > ourselves being pulled into and along with it. and we want to know what > happens, whatever it might be. > > > -- > > Michael Herman > Michael Herman Associates > 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile) > > http://MichaelHerman.com > http://OpenSpaceWorld.org > > > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Michael Herman <mich...@michaelherman.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> -- >> >> Michael Herman >> Michael Herman Associates >> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile) >> >> http://MichaelHerman.com >> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 8:20 AM, Paul Levy via OSList < >> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >>> I believe the orientation of the facilitator to be one of "loving >>> indifference"; >>> >>> - love for the beauty and eloquent simplicity of OST >>> - love for the - as yet to emerge - potential of the self organising >>> meeting >>> >>> The facilitator need not hope for the best nor fear the worst. Their >>> indifference - rooted in a deeper love of the "whatever" - is then an >>> eloquent, gentle, minimally supportive spiritual symmetry. >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> Paul Levy >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Sep 2017 13:48, "Birgitt Williams via OSList" < >>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Lucas, >>>> I think it is helpful to have an attitude of 'we are going to create >>>> something amazing and people will take action' within yourself. I cannot >>>> imagine this going so well if there is any question within the facilitator >>>> that there will be limited outcomes. And so I encourage you to think that >>>> there have been many community OST events that have had outstanding >>>> actions/follow through....and there have. >>>> >>>> I agree with Michael about many community events being geared to >>>> conversation which is a great step forward just by itself...a noble reason >>>> for OST. >>>> >>>> I also know that by stating 'givens' if it feels right to you to do so, >>>> you could have as given: >>>> -time will be given towards the end of the meeting to read reports of >>>> the discussion groups >>>> -dot voting to discern what the people really have energy for will be >>>> done >>>> -based on the data we have...the reports and the results of the >>>> voting...next steps for action will be invited >>>> >>>> >>>> when a meeting is designed to garner action, there are additional >>>> design elements. >>>> >>>> Blessings, >>>> Birgitt >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 5:44 PM Michael Herman < >>>> mich...@michaelherman.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> To your observation, Lucas, many community os and onconf events invite >>>>> conversation rather than action. Need to invite action but also need to >>>>> invite it at scale and expertise and resource levels that are true for the >>>>> group. The tools you're offering might be useful but only if folks have >>>>> the >>>>> expertise, time, maybe money, etc they need. Inviting only those who do >>>>> might shrink attendance. That's where some chest and invite less than they >>>>> really want. Sometimes groups can go find what heft need as first action >>>>> steps. Sometimes it possible or necessary to bring key resources as part >>>>> of >>>>> the invite. Anyway, the main thing is to start and see who comes, what >>>>> they >>>>> have and want and might do. It might take more than one meeting <grin> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:09 Michael Herman < >>>>> mich...@michaelherman.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Adding to birgitt... open space for *more* of the community we love. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 16:00 Chris Corrigan < >>>>>> chris.corri...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Instead of inviting questions, ask for a show of hands from everyone >>>>>>> who has enough clarity to proceed. Ask people to hold their hands high. >>>>>>> Then tell everyone that if you have a question about how things will >>>>>>> work, >>>>>>> ask one of the people with their hands held up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ___________ >>>>>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN >>>>>>> www.chriscorrigan.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 31, 2017, at 1:50 PM, Birgitt Williams via OSList < >>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Lucas, >>>>>>> I echo Michael's comments about 'safety'...it cannot be promised. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I got into the start of your scripted intro and thought..."this is >>>>>>> too small a space that Lucas is creating...this is such a great >>>>>>> opportunity". I would not make definitive statements about the tarnished >>>>>>> name of Charlottesville etc as I think that closes some of the space.. >>>>>>> Rather, I would really open the space wide for creating the community we >>>>>>> love". Who knows what inspirations might show up! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish you stellar outcomes! And yes, I would do it 'by the book'! >>>>>>> Birgitt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 10:17 AM Michael Herman via OSList < >>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the thing i like about the original principles and law is that they >>>>>>>> are essentially descriptive, rather than prescriptive "ground rules." >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> law, for instance, doesn't say one must use their two feet, it says >>>>>>>> "you >>>>>>>> and only you know when you are learning and contributing as much as you >>>>>>>> can." this isn't a ground rule, it's more like a law of nature, defy >>>>>>>> it at >>>>>>>> your own risk. the moving about with two feet is just describing what >>>>>>>> happens when people notice and act on the reality of the natural law. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> the other thing i notice, lucas, is that you're attempting to >>>>>>>> promise safety. that's a tall order. made taller by simultaneously >>>>>>>> saying >>>>>>>> that ALL ideas are welcome. the combination of inviting everyone to >>>>>>>> learn >>>>>>>> and contribute as much as they can, on the one hand, and be prepared >>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>> surprised, on the other, should be enough. if you promise "safe" >>>>>>>> space, >>>>>>>> then as soon as anyone feels bad the hosts/facilitators are seen as >>>>>>>> responsible. what you want is for everyone to be responsible for >>>>>>>> everyone's safety. when the event finishes and everyone is still okay, >>>>>>>> THAT is something the group (not the facilitator) has done for itself, >>>>>>>> perhaps even the MOST important thing. the principles and law >>>>>>>> accomplish >>>>>>>> that pretty well. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Michael Herman >>>>>>>> Michael Herman Associates >>>>>>>> 312-280-7838 <(312)%20280-7838> (mobile) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://MichaelHerman.com >>>>>>>> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Harrison Owen via OSList < >>>>>>>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The only suggestion I would make is not to take any questions. May >>>>>>>>> seem rude, but the fact of the matter is that everything will be >>>>>>>>> clear upon >>>>>>>>> departure, and the sooner you get to take off the better. One side >>>>>>>>> note—Personal prejudice, I’m sure—The original “5 Principles” and One >>>>>>>>> Law >>>>>>>>> quickly do the job, and my preference is always to quickly get out of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way and let the people do their job. Good Luck! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Harrison >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Winter Address >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Summer Address >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Websites >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2017 6:29 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello Harrison, thanks so much for the prompt reply. Below is the >>>>>>>>> draft script for the event. I wrote it down since I'm out of >>>>>>>>> practice. I >>>>>>>>> won't read it word for word; it's just a guide. You'll see the rules >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> the law are not referred to directly, since I think the crowd will >>>>>>>>> understand it better if we explain it like this. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course I may be very wrong about that. I'm just doing what >>>>>>>>> seems best in my judgement. I'm 100% open to any and all suggestions! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lucas >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 8:30am: Opening >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [JESSICA] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Welcome, everyone. My name is Jessica G. And my name is Lucas >>>>>>>>> C. All of us are gathered here to think together, and we are here to >>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>> together. If this goes well, it could be the start of something big. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlottesville’s name has been tarnished. We have a window of >>>>>>>>> opportunity for a second act. That window is closing. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If there’s one community that can think outside the box and is not >>>>>>>>> intimidated by obstacles, it’s the tech community. But we need >>>>>>>>> vision, we >>>>>>>>> need passion, and we need to be grounded in what’s practical, so >>>>>>>>> that’s why >>>>>>>>> we invited the leaders of ten local civic and activist groups from >>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>> the political spectrum. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [LUCAS] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This is a participant-driven event, and it will be what we all >>>>>>>>> make of it. Our job as facilitators is to help you be at your best >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> then to get out of the way >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some ground rules for all of us to keep in mind: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> · Everyone is welcome here, and we mean everyone. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> · All ideas are welcome here, and we mean all ideas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> · This is a safe space for all of us to express any idea, >>>>>>>>> even ones which are tough to hear, as long as you are coming from a >>>>>>>>> place >>>>>>>>> of respect. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> · And on the flip side, if you hear something that >>>>>>>>> triggers you, first please assume that the other person is coming >>>>>>>>> from a >>>>>>>>> place of respect. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> · Think about who is not in the room and speak for them if >>>>>>>>> you can. We don’t represent all of Charlottesville, so it’s >>>>>>>>> important to >>>>>>>>> think about who isn’t present so that we find solutions that work for >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> most people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Think big. What can we do as a tech community and as a city that >>>>>>>>> makes a splash nationally? Can you think of a solution that breaks >>>>>>>>> out of >>>>>>>>> the left-right paradigm, or a solution that helps us find commonality >>>>>>>>> rather than getting tripped up over a long and complicated racial >>>>>>>>> past? >>>>>>>>> Can you find solutions that appeal to both the center and the fringes? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here’s how this event will happen. You see over there an open >>>>>>>>> agenda wall. Across the top, you see six spaces: the four corners of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> room, Conference Room 1, and Conference Room 2. Going down the left >>>>>>>>> side, >>>>>>>>> you see three rounds of discussion. Each round lasts 40 minutes with >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> 5-minute break in between. There will be a 15-minute closing session >>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>> the end. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you want remote participants to be able to join your session, >>>>>>>>> then please schedule your session in one of the conference rooms. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In a moment, each of us will have the opportunity to post a >>>>>>>>> session topic. You’ll walk to the center of the circle, pick up a >>>>>>>>> piece of >>>>>>>>> paper and a marker. Write the discussion topic and your name. >>>>>>>>> Announce >>>>>>>>> it, and then post it on the agenda wall. Sessions should be >>>>>>>>> conversational >>>>>>>>> rather than presentations or monologues. All you have to do have are >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> great questions, and the answers will come through the discussion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Let’s give everyone a moment to think about what sessions they >>>>>>>>> want to hold before we get started. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (pause for a minute) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, when you’re ready, please go ahead and write down your session >>>>>>>>> topic and then announce it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (people start announcing and posting their topics on the wall) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now we’ll start the breakout sessions. This is your event, so you >>>>>>>>> won’t see us dropping by to remind you of how much time is left or >>>>>>>>> the need >>>>>>>>> to wrap up. If your conversation is running long, please take it to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> cafe area, out of respect for the people who are participating in the >>>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>>> session in that space. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Open space has the law of two feet, which means that if find a >>>>>>>>> conversation isn’t going the way you expected, you are highly >>>>>>>>> encouraged to >>>>>>>>> pick up and move to another conversation where you can contribute >>>>>>>>> more. >>>>>>>>> Don’t take it personally if people drop out of your session. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can feel free to hop between sessions, and you can feel free >>>>>>>>> to just hang out by yourself in the hallway or even take a walk with >>>>>>>>> someone outside. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Whenever possible, please take good notes for those who could not >>>>>>>>> attend. We expect that many people across the community will want to >>>>>>>>> organize around your ideas and help you implement them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Are there any questions? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (pause) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ok, the session topics are posted. Let’s make today count. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 9:00am: Breakout Round 1 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 9:45am: Breakout Round 2 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 10:30am: Breakout Round 3 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 11:15am: Closing >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> [Jessica] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Welcome back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (pause) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What thoughts would you like to share with everyone? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Harrison Owen <hho...@verizon.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds wonderful . But what is this “openspacish” event? Just do >>>>>>>>> it. And if you need some help try Kai down in Harrisonburg. Used to >>>>>>>>> be the >>>>>>>>> Mayor – and had done lots of OS – by the book. Works.And he shows up >>>>>>>>> on the >>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ho >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Winter Address >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 7808 River Falls Dr. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Potomac, MD 20854 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 301-365-2093 <(301)%20365-2093> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Summer Address >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 189 Beaucauire Ave >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Camden, ME 04843 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 207 763-3261 <(207)%20763-3261> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Websites >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.openspaceworld.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> www.ho-image.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of *Lucas Cioffi via OSList >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 28, 2017 4:42 PM >>>>>>>>> *To:* World wide Open Space Technology email list >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [OSList] Open Space in Charlottesville >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi All, I sent this out to the NCDD listserv moments ago and >>>>>>>>> thought I need to share it with the wonderful folks here on OS-LIST >>>>>>>>> too. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You may have seen the violence in Charlottesville two weeks ago >>>>>>>>> when alt-right protesters and Black Lives Matter & Antifa >>>>>>>>> counter-protesters clashed. One alt-right sympathizer committed a >>>>>>>>> terrorist attack by violently plowing his car into a crowd of >>>>>>>>> counter-protesters, killing one and injuring 19. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The community is still stunned and no one knows what to do, so >>>>>>>>> what should we do? We should open some space. I'm putting together a >>>>>>>>> 3-hour open space-ish event on Thursday for the Cville tech community >>>>>>>>> (and >>>>>>>>> inviting local leaders of civic and activist groups) so we can figure >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> what we as technologists have to offer. If this goes well, we'll >>>>>>>>> hold a >>>>>>>>> larger open space for all of Cville. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If that goes well, maybe I can work with some of you to hold some >>>>>>>>> simultaneous open spaces across the country one day this Autumn. >>>>>>>>> I'll also >>>>>>>>> try opening some space with Zoom & QiqoChat (for the breakouts). >>>>>>>>> If/when >>>>>>>>> that happens, I'll be sure to reach out here so that we can plan this >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> the open. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I look forward to seeing what else comes of all this... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Founder, QiqoChat.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: *Lucas Cioffi* <lu...@qiqochat.com> >>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 4:34 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Hi from Charlottesville (Round 2) >>>>>>>>> To: "ncdd-discuss...@lists.ncdd.org" < >>>>>>>>> ncdd-discuss...@lists.ncdd.org> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for the tremendous discussion on this listserv >>>>>>>>> over the past sixteen days! I've learned so much from the resources >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> ideas you have all shared. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *UPDATES* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The work to respond to the violence of August 12th is just >>>>>>>>> beginning. Last night the Department of Justice's Community >>>>>>>>> Relations Service <https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs> (created >>>>>>>>> as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act) held their first public town >>>>>>>>> meeting >>>>>>>>> here. I posted rough notes below so you can get a sense of what >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> were talking about. It was supposed to last 2 hours, but went 3.5 >>>>>>>>> hours. >>>>>>>>> The meeting was in a high school auditorium and there were about 500 >>>>>>>>> people >>>>>>>>> present. Everyone had a chance at the microphone. There were no time >>>>>>>>> limits. There were 10 news crews present. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Big themes that I heard: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Cville's black community is very upset about August 12th but >>>>>>>>> also about the lack of economic opportunity & affordable housing, >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> pervasive racism >>>>>>>>> - many people are outraged by the police security plan on >>>>>>>>> August 12th >>>>>>>>> - many people feel the community is still not safe for them >>>>>>>>> - several people mentioning that they want to take action into >>>>>>>>> their own hands if City Council doesn't act (alluding to violence, >>>>>>>>> including the one guy who said he was the one who threatened the >>>>>>>>> mayor at >>>>>>>>> the last City Council meeting) >>>>>>>>> - two people did get in a 5-min shouting match over the >>>>>>>>> general idea of taking down monuments >>>>>>>>> - there is a big lack of trust in government at all levels, >>>>>>>>> from the city (& police) to the DOJ and the President >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *NEXT STEPS* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As a member of Cville's tech community, the first step I'm taking >>>>>>>>> is co-organizing a 3-hour "open space" this Thursday. The target >>>>>>>>> audience >>>>>>>>> is our local tech community plus leaders of local civic and activist >>>>>>>>> groups. If this succeeds, we'll help convene a bigger one open which >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> be open to everyone in Charlottesville. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've also heard from 10 local citizens and half dozen members of >>>>>>>>> this listserv who want to volunteer for any local dialogue initiative >>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> we may plan. I'm sincerely thankful for those of you who have reached >>>>>>>>> out. For those that cannot make it to Cville, I think we will also >>>>>>>>> plan >>>>>>>>> online dialogue using Zoom video chat (breakout rooms made possible by >>>>>>>>> QiqoChat) during which time any NCDD member can host a breakout room >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> use any dialogue technique they want; the audience will be people >>>>>>>>> across >>>>>>>>> the country. We'll have an open planning process if/when that >>>>>>>>> happens, so >>>>>>>>> you will hear about it on this listserv. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll know more after the local tech community convenes on Thursday. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lucas Cioffi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charlottesville, VA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mobile: 917-528-1831 <(917)%20528-1831> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ------- >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> INTRODUCTION BY DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Department of Justice Community Relations Service >>>>>>>>> - Three phases: recovery, dialogue, moving forward >>>>>>>>> - Acknowledge what has happened >>>>>>>>> - Many questions have been asked and are under investigation. >>>>>>>>> - We need to educate ourselves to preven tthis from >>>>>>>>> reoccurring. >>>>>>>>> - We've had dialogue about who we are in the past. >>>>>>>>> - Let's be patient. >>>>>>>>> - We all have to be able to listen. >>>>>>>>> - DOJ CRS created as part of the 1964 Civil Rights Act: >>>>>>>>> https://www.justice.gov/crs/about-crs >>>>>>>>> - Tonight we will collect concerns, identify common themes, >>>>>>>>> and create resolution. >>>>>>>>> - Here are the ground rules: respect, one person at a time, etc >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> COMMUNITY CONCERNS >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in Trump & Attorney General Jeff Sessions >>>>>>>>> - police were reactive instead fo proactive >>>>>>>>> - lack of leadership from City Council >>>>>>>>> - we need better gun control in parks >>>>>>>>> - we need to learn how to get these statues down >>>>>>>>> - we need all voices heard; the political right should be a >>>>>>>>> part of the meeting not a target of this meeting >>>>>>>>> - the county is part of the Cville community >>>>>>>>> - we need faith in rule of law >>>>>>>>> - police failed to protect our people >>>>>>>>> - wishing there was a way to remove privilege >>>>>>>>> - http://solidaritycville.com/Demands/ has 10 demands: >>>>>>>>> - 1. Revoke the permit for the August 12 “Unite the Right >>>>>>>>> March on Charlottesville” and grant a permit for the Carnival de >>>>>>>>> Resistance. >>>>>>>>> - 2. Remove the Lee and Jackson statues, now. >>>>>>>>> - 3. Fulfill the “Positive Vision of Resident Directed >>>>>>>>> Redevelopment” from the Charlottesville Public Housing Association >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Residents. >>>>>>>>> - 4. Drop the charges against Veronica Fitzhugh. >>>>>>>>> - 5. Apologize publicly for negligence in Sage Smith’s >>>>>>>>> disappearance, and commit to an expansion of the investigation. >>>>>>>>> - 6. Cease the targeting of Black families by social services >>>>>>>>> to send children into foster care. >>>>>>>>> - 7. End JADE (Jefferson Area Drug Enforcement militarized >>>>>>>>> police unit). >>>>>>>>> - 8. End money bail, and release people being held without >>>>>>>>> bond before their trial. >>>>>>>>> - 9. Stop discriminatory stop-and-frisk. >>>>>>>>> - need affordable housing >>>>>>>>> - police need to apologize >>>>>>>>> - discriminatory foster care poliies >>>>>>>>> - militarization of police >>>>>>>>> - stop & frisk >>>>>>>>> - remove monuments >>>>>>>>> - resist white supremacy >>>>>>>>> - sage smith's family >>>>>>>>> - too few minority faces here >>>>>>>>> - want understanding >>>>>>>>> - call this a terrorist attack >>>>>>>>> - systemic ideal of race >>>>>>>>> - the DOJ note-taker miswrote on the screen what someone said >>>>>>>>> and instead wrote "extend white privilege" >>>>>>>>> - it's a shame that there are no Congressional staff here >>>>>>>>> listening >>>>>>>>> - why were there no barricades on 4th street? >>>>>>>>> - lack of trust in government >>>>>>>>> - gun control >>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a waste of time, because we're staring from >>>>>>>>> zero instead of the work that was already done at the Jefferson >>>>>>>>> School a >>>>>>>>> few days after >>>>>>>>> - Jefferson School had a better, more engaging meeting >>>>>>>>> - City Councilmembers have received death threats and that is >>>>>>>>> unacceptable >>>>>>>>> - black women want to feel safe >>>>>>>>> - white nationalists mapped out the black neighborhoods >>>>>>>>> according to online evidence >>>>>>>>> - if more blacks were present at the rally, the alt-right >>>>>>>>> would have opened fire >>>>>>>>> - how do we protect ourselves >>>>>>>>> - there should be no open carry law in Cville, there's a state >>>>>>>>> level rule (Dillon's Rule) that prevents us from making our own >>>>>>>>> laws unless >>>>>>>>> specifically granted permission by the VA legislature >>>>>>>>> - white supremacists are still in town >>>>>>>>> - we are lucky that there was no massacre; we got very lucky >>>>>>>>> - tired of calls for unity >>>>>>>>> - feel abandoned by federal government >>>>>>>>> - DOJ is taking away resources from liberal causes (voter ID >>>>>>>>> laws, LGBT rights, etc) >>>>>>>>> - I don't want unity with local wingnuts who have a rifle and >>>>>>>>> a menacing look on their face >>>>>>>>> - ask for resignations of city council and city manager >>>>>>>>> - "Attorney General is a monument to white supremacy" >>>>>>>>> - drop a bomb in Afghanistan and you're dropping it in Cville >>>>>>>>> too, because a refugee is affected >>>>>>>>> - free political prisoners >>>>>>>>> - investigation of police body cameras >>>>>>>>> - tear gas on Cville residents >>>>>>>>> - power to the people (w/ black power fist) >>>>>>>>> - "they are trying to bury us; we are seeds" >>>>>>>>> - prosecute community leaders for failing to protect >>>>>>>>> - charge Richard Spencer >>>>>>>>> - call a terrorist a terrorist >>>>>>>>> - When will Kessler get charged? >>>>>>>>> - minorities are silenced through a summer of hate >>>>>>>>> - no justice >>>>>>>>> - police should have stop and frisked Nazis >>>>>>>>> - our low income community has a gate to keep people in; not >>>>>>>>> the way it should be >>>>>>>>> - want harsh punishments of the alt-right >>>>>>>>> - there is no affordable housing >>>>>>>>> - there is too much racial profiling and unreasonable search >>>>>>>>> - there needs to be recreation at low income housing areas; >>>>>>>>> YMCA not affordable >>>>>>>>> - no activities for black people >>>>>>>>> - there should be free speech for the people who disrubpted >>>>>>>>> the council meeting >>>>>>>>> - there was a generation of blacks taught to not speak up >>>>>>>>> - thank you to the white community for coming out in support >>>>>>>>> of the black community >>>>>>>>> - there were movies which all happened near here (Birth of a >>>>>>>>> Nation, Loving, Hidden Figures); Hollywood must have known that >>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>> big was going to happen >>>>>>>>> - we need to make our history more accessible >>>>>>>>> - "each one, teach one" >>>>>>>>> - lack of police presence at minority events >>>>>>>>> - we're having to police ourselves >>>>>>>>> - what is the role of Civlle police? >>>>>>>>> - our history is that our city chose to close schools instead >>>>>>>>> of desegregate >>>>>>>>> - our history is Vinegar Hill >>>>>>>>> - they want to kill back men, especially if they have knowledge >>>>>>>>> - someone should pay my doctor bills for getting tear-gassed >>>>>>>>> - judge has blood on his hands >>>>>>>>> - "if you don't get it, we will shut it down" >>>>>>>>> - leadership should resign >>>>>>>>> - we should all vote differently >>>>>>>>> - "What has voting done for us in the past?"- person yelled out >>>>>>>>> - this meeting is a farce; we need truth >>>>>>>>> - where are police when the shroud is removed from the statue >>>>>>>>> last night? >>>>>>>>> - Mayor should resign >>>>>>>>> - (speaker says he was the one that threatened the Mayor at >>>>>>>>> the last city council meeting) >>>>>>>>> - give equal rights to blacks >>>>>>>>> - if you can't do it, we will >>>>>>>>> - police plan was publicly "arrest people when fights break >>>>>>>>> out" but that didn't happen >>>>>>>>> - don't allow hate speech; follow Europe's example of no Nazi >>>>>>>>> symbols >>>>>>>>> - our divided country is week >>>>>>>>> - many of the Nazis are young, impressionable people >>>>>>>>> - alt-right leaders are saying they are taking the country back >>>>>>>>> - be careful of what the government tells you, they told us >>>>>>>>> the police got pepper-sprayed at the KKK rally (the reason they >>>>>>>>> used tear >>>>>>>>> gas) but they're not saying that anymore >>>>>>>>> - Trump = terrorist >>>>>>>>> - investigate Trump >>>>>>>>> - ISIS would not get a permit >>>>>>>>> - deny the next permit >>>>>>>>> - we need honesty and accountability >>>>>>>>> - we need to elect better people >>>>>>>>> - what if we had this meeting on July 9th instead? this >>>>>>>>> meeting is too little & too late >>>>>>>>> - This will play out in Richmond bigger if not solved >>>>>>>>> - people shouldn't come in from out of town to battle on our >>>>>>>>> streets >>>>>>>>> - we need more black people at our meeting; we need a >>>>>>>>> different venue >>>>>>>>> - police faced the community not the KKK >>>>>>>>> - media showed up at UVA torch rally long before police; >>>>>>>>> shameful on police >>>>>>>>> - no police presence at black churches and many other places >>>>>>>>> - need a different process other than this meeting; Jefferson >>>>>>>>> School meeting was much better >>>>>>>>> - mental health professionals are volunteering to help Cville >>>>>>>>> residents; there should be official support of such a program >>>>>>>>> - many people are terrorized >>>>>>>>> - get rid of monuments >>>>>>>>> - change happens within ourselves >>>>>>>>> - don't wait for the City's investigations to conclude; that's >>>>>>>>> giving away power >>>>>>>>> - drop charges on Veronica >>>>>>>>> - need a different system than the Cville City Council & City >>>>>>>>> Manager structure; our city is too big for that to work now >>>>>>>>> - there is police harassment >>>>>>>>> - there has been racism for a long time >>>>>>>>> - no affordable housing >>>>>>>>> - we black residents don't care about the statues >>>>>>>>> - when speech turns violent, it's not protected; there were >>>>>>>>> clear threats >>>>>>>>> - Me: this way this race-based violence is escalating is >>>>>>>>> following a similar pattern with what I saw civil war in Iraq >>>>>>>>> - Me: anyone interested in building bridges, please share your >>>>>>>>> email address >>>>>>>>> - the juvenile justice system is broken >>>>>>>>> - school to prison pipeline >>>>>>>>> - "when someone is incarcerated their family does time too" >>>>>>>>> - my boys are back from prison but mentally still locked up >>>>>>>>> - we need new economics to build wealth >>>>>>>>> - no good jobs >>>>>>>>> - need a mindshift change in city council >>>>>>>>> - there have never been two black city council members at any >>>>>>>>> given time >>>>>>>>> - UVA should be held accountable for the tiki torch rally >>>>>>>>> - all investigators should be independent >>>>>>>>> - we need a community security plan (ie sound fire station >>>>>>>>> alarms if there's an attack) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>>>>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>>> oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>>>>>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>>>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to >>>>>>>> oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>>>>> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org >>>>>>>> Past archives can be viewed here: >>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Birgitt Williams >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> President & Senior Consultant of Dalar International Consultancy, >>>>>>> Inc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.dalarinternational.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-founder of the Extraordinary Leadership Network >>>>>>> http://www.extraordinaryleadershipnetwork.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-founder of the Genuine Contact™program and author of The Genuine >>>>>>> Contact Way: Nourishing a Culture of Leadership >>>>>>> http://www.genuinecontactway.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Co-owner of the Genuine Contact Co-owners Group Ltd. >>>>>>> http://www.genuinecontact.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Supporting leadership development for leading in a culture >>>>>>> requiring agility and flexibility in a performance environment of >>>>>>> constant >>>>>>> change.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Leadership development at your own pace? 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