On certification…
As an educator of many years… there are purposes for certification.
These mainly sit around competency to perform certain services…
paramedics, medical doctors etc. They provide entry to a guild of sorts
and tell people, in theory, that I’m not dangerous.
Open space, I think, is a little different as it’s a human good rather
than a commodity or a service that any human being could pick up and
use. Clearly, there is expertise involved in facilitating that is grown
over several years’ experience and I guess people never stop learning
because by their very nature each event is different. However,
essentially, any community could use open space.
Certification becomes necessary I guess when you need to commodify.
Varoufakis notes: “/A dive, a sunset, a joke: all can have an enormous
amount of experiential value and no exchange value whatsoever.”
“Anything without a price, anything that can’t be sold, tends to be
considered worthless, whereas anything with a price, it is thought, will
be desirable.”/
I have several agile certifications and several teaching ones. These
don’t necessarily make me a great practitioner of either that comes
through review from participants and reflection and improvement each
time on my part. One thing I do know is that using OST is always an
adventure an a bit of a leap of faith for the person/people who want to
use it. The technique or framework just works and works well and I have
a few ideas for why it does but we all have those.
Finally…. A few words from McLuhan..
*Someday, all of us will spend our lives in our own school, the world.
And education –in the sense of learning to love, to grow, to change– can
become not the woeful preparation for some job that makes us less than
we could be but the very essence, the joyful whole of existence itself.
**FULL CITATION: McLuhan, M., & Leonard, G. B. (1967). The future of
education: The class of 1989. /Look, February 21/, 23-24. Online Source
http://learningspaces.org/files/mcluhanfs.html *
I think OST supports this notion.
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Bhavesh Patel via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
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*Cc: *Bhavesh Patel <bhavm...@gmail.com>, Mark Carmel
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*Subject: *Re: [OSList] Why CERTIFICATION makes sense considering this
conversation on Mission, Vision Strategy Plans, etc.
Hey Mark,
If you have passion for that, and in your freedom you want to take
responsibility for that, then please do what ever you feel called to
do... and the results will speak for themselves. None of us can control
the space for you. And one thing is for sure, we will learn from your
experiments...
Smiles Bhav...
On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 at 18:18, Mark Carmel via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org <mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>
wrote:
Fascinating conversation. This is exactly why we need a
certification-like program and an organizational structure for the
future if we want to train people in the finer points of sustaining
open space interventions over time as Chris has done. There is a lot
more to it than just throwing out an invitation and opening up the
market place. It is interesting to me that from the most seasoned
open space masters the idea was instantly shot down, saying...we
discussed that already... Now that is not what an open space
facilitator normally does right? Shoot down other people's ideas.
The world has evolved into one that respects credentials.
Interestingly the ones who spoke the strongest against certification
have already given themselves nice fancy titles. Which is
wonderful. Because credentials really do matter. Right now open
space facilitators must give themself their own title and otherwise
have no backing whatsoever to lend credibility to their self given
titles. When you talk about overcoming the resistance of executives
and with the retaliation nation nature of things now (look at Hong
Kong) it makes sense to put some structure to the educational
credentialing of OSTsters from apprentice to Master to mentor. In
terms of VISION and MISSION and VALUES and STRATEGY, why is it that
we facilitators want to apply that same organizational structure for
ALL other organizations but resist doing the same for OUR work, to
create OUR organization... What IS our vision...to hope the world
magically organizes around OST... or to make it happen through a
viable 1,000 year vision. In his great book, Leadership Is,
Harrison is spot on to define OST as the ONE way for leaders to be a
caretaker of the Spirit. We must not be naive to believe that
leaders will not crush the Spirit once it emerges in Open Space.
This requires highly advanced training to be able to navigate the
process over decades of implementation. ALL great decisions require
great leadership. If OST ever gets an organization, I hope this idea
will be considered by its leaders or of course someone else will do
it or it will not be done. In some ways, or all ways, Harrison has
created a new religion of Spirit and I hope that an organizational
structure WILL be created kinda like that other dude who started out
with 12 disciples.
Peace,
Mark Carmel
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning? (Chris
Kloth)
2. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
(Harrison Owen)
3. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning? (Peggy
Holman)
4. Re: OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning? (Jake
Yeager)
5. Open Space Hangout! Tues Aug 13, 12 PM EDT! (Tony Budak)
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:25:41 -0400
From: Chris Kloth <chris.kl...@got2change.com
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Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
middle of
a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk) that is
pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall triggered a
powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we were to
start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me that he
thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also made it
clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other workplace
issues would probably come up and that there was no way these
could be
addressed in such a setting.
I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that labor
issues
would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also asked
him to
listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the subject.
No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first round
and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled at me
big
time. I will admit I was nervous.
The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of frustration, 30
minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the best
jobs n
the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the end
of the
second round the company president faxed from the other site that
their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
and optimism.
--
Shalom,
Chris Kloth
ChangeWorks of the Heartland
254 South Merkle Road
Bexley, OH 43209-1801
ph 614-239-1336
fax 614-237-2347
www.got2change.com
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Think globally. Act locally.
Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yea...@gmail.com
<mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>:
> Hey Chris,
>
> Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear your
> experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
mentioned is still
> active!
>
> If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>
> - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
the non-profit
> partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
> - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
multiple sites.
> I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
you recommend for
> executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>
> Thank you so much Chris!
>
> Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
recommendations for
> executing OS cross-site, please do!
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> ________________
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once
again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
<chris.kl...@got2change.com <mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
division of
>> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
100% of the
>> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
midwest. We had
>> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
communicate what
>> was going on at each location each round! By the end of the
process
>> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
>> structure.
>>
>> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing early
childhood
>> care and education to very different types of children,
resulting in a
>> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a plan
for the
>> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
now almost
>> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the principles
of OST.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shalom,
>>
>> Chris Kloth
>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> 254 South Merkle Road
>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> ph 614-239-1336
>> fax 614-237-2347
>> www.got2change.com
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>>
>> Think globally. Act locally.
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
vision statement
>> or
>> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>> recommendations?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Much love as always,
>> > Jake
>> >
>> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
person! :)
>> > ________________
>> >
>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again, and
>> > you will be free of problems.
>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:57:37 -0400
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Beautiful! Thank you Chris!!
ho
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Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
middle of
a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk) that is
pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall triggered a
powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we were to
start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me that he
thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also made it
clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other workplace
issues would probably come up and that there was no way these
could be
addressed in such a setting.
I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that labor
issues
would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also asked
him to
listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the subject.
No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first round
and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled at me
big
time. I will admit I was nervous.
The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of frustration, 30
minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the best
jobs n
the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the end
of the
second round the company president faxed from the other site that
their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
and optimism.
--
Shalom,
Chris Kloth
ChangeWorks of the Heartland
254 South Merkle Road
Bexley, OH 43209-1801
ph 614-239-1336
fax 614-237-2347
www.got2change.com
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Think globally. Act locally.
Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yea...@gmail.com
<mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>:
> Hey Chris,
>
> Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear your
> experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
mentioned is still
> active!
>
> If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>
> - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
the non-profit
> partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
> - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
multiple sites.
> I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
you recommend
for
> executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>
> Thank you so much Chris!
>
> Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
recommendations for
> executing OS cross-site, please do!
>
> All the best,
> Jake
> ________________
>
> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once
again, and
> you will be free of problems.
> - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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>
>
> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
<chris.kl...@got2change.com <mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>>
> wrote:
>
>> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
division of
>> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
100% of the
>> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
midwest. We had
>> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
communicate what
>> was going on at each location each round! By the end of the
process
>> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
>> structure.
>>
>> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing early
childhood
>> care and education to very different types of children,
resulting in a
>> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a plan
for the
>> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
now almost
>> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the principles
of OST.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Shalom,
>>
>> Chris Kloth
>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>> 254 South Merkle Road
>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>> ph 614-239-1336
>> fax 614-237-2347
>> www.got2change.com
<https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hy1Yj-0004K8-4l&i=57e1b682&c=6-ni9NeL80VVBdriQosm1ikQRsGzXqwNK_44oUjbLiBoImuIQ1Q1ggb-_iH8dO4sxa2188VjI7mv0HXV9_-M3D4Iq2nM_TNw6PgB0paT7JZ45J0QQxHtkj1iA5twxEIeYXuhi57onUXVm2KejxcONAgjAeN6-dZDV_LQkyYegAJaLuGOFg4iOpXUX6n0EZntOjRe-QwY8EOL54R7vOKDqhFFu4Zj1b7FHbfpDNasEms>
>>
>> Think globally. Act locally.
>>
>>
>> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or vision
statement
>> or
>> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>> recommendations?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Much love as always,
>> > Jake
>> >
>> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
person! :)
>> > ________________
>> >
>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again,
and
>> > you will be free of problems.
>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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I?ll add another strategic planning story to the mix. In the
1999, I did a project with the Washington State Arts Commission
to create a strategic plan that was widely embraced by artists
and arts organizations all over the state. The commission?s
continued funding was riding on success.
We hosted 20 Open Space convenings around the state over 6
weeks. The first and last were statewide. The rest were 3-hour
sessions in towns as small as Twisp and cities as large as
Seattle. In the end, the arts commission created a plan that was
not only widely embraced, but two years later during an economic
downturn, the funding held when other departments were cut
because of the widespread support.
When we started, the commission members were convinced large and
small, east and west, rural and urban would all be at war with
each other. In fact, they found synergies and ways to partner.
A bit more of the story is here:
http://peggyholman.com/a-conversation-about-the-arts/
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> On Aug 12, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Chris Kloth via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>> wrote:
>
> Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
middle of a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted
Talk) that is pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
>
> That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall
triggered a powerful memory. When I got to my site the night
before we were to start a very resistant top executive made it
clear to me that he thought this approach a ridiculous waste of
time. He also made it clear that he was sure labor issues over
wages and other workplace issues would probably come up and that
there was no way these could be addressed in such a setting.
>
> I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
labor issues would probably come up if it mattered to those in
the room and requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I
also asked him to listen to the workers talk and resist taking
charge of the subject.
>
> No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first
round and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled
at me big time. I will admit I was nervous.
>
> The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
frustration, 30 minutes of "We are all in this together and
still have the best jobs n the valley" and 30 minutes of
developing strategies. By the end of the second round the
company president faxed from the other site that their ideas
were all valuable and could be implemented!
>
> The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
and optimism.
>
> --
> Shalom,
>
> Chris Kloth
> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
> 254 South Merkle Road
> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
> ph 614-239-1336
> fax 614-237-2347
> www.got2change.com
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> Think globally. Act locally.
>
>
> Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yea...@gmail.com
<mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com> <mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com
<mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>>:
>
>> Hey Chris,
>>
>> Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear your
>> experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
mentioned is still
>> active!
>>
>> If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
>>
>> - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
the non-profit
>> partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
>> - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
multiple sites.
>> I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
you recommend for
>> executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
>>
>> Thank you so much Chris!
>>
>> Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
recommendations for
>> executing OS cross-site, please do!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Jake
>> ________________
>>
>> When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again, and
>> you will be free of problems.
>> - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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>>
>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
<chris.kl...@got2change.com <mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>
<mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com
<mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
division of
>>> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
100% of the
>>> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
>>> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
midwest. We had
>>> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
communicate what
>>> was going on at each location each round! By the end of the
process
>>> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
>>> structure.
>>>
>>> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
>>> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing early
childhood
>>> care and education to very different types of children,
resulting in a
>>> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a plan
for the
>>> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
now almost
>>> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the principles
of OST.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Shalom,
>>>
>>> Chris Kloth
>>> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
>>> 254 South Merkle Road
>>> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
>>> ph 614-239-1336
>>> fax 614-237-2347
>>> www.got2change.com
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>>>
>>> Think globally. Act locally.
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
<oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
<mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>>:
>>>
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
vision statement
>>> or
>>> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
>>> recommendations?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks!
>>> >
>>> > Much love as always,
>>> > Jake
>>> >
>>> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
person! :)
>>> > ________________
>>> >
>>> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again, and
>>> > you will be free of problems.
>>> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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>>> >
>>>
>>>
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 07:54:31 -0400
From: Jake Yeager <jacob.yea...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [OSList] OST for Mission/Vision and Strategic Planning?
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Thank you everyone for your replies! They are very, very helpful.
I have contracted with an internal client who is interested in
using OST.
His team is cross-site, so these suggestions and experiences are
invaluable. It really is about experimenting, identifying what
works, and
sharing my experience with others to move the work forward. Oh, and
trusting the people. :)
Thanks again!
Much love,
Jake
________________
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again, and
you will be free of problems.
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On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 5:25 PM Chris Kloth
<chris.kl...@got2change.com <mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>>
wrote:
> Jake, I hope to get back to you by this weekend. I am in the
middle of
> a project with Prosecutor Impact (see Adam Foss' Ted Talk)
that is
> pretty consuming. I know I have the file somewhere.
>
> That said, Michael's comment about what's on the wall triggered a
> powerful memory. When I got to my site the night before we
were to
> start a very resistant top executive made it clear to me that he
> thought this approach a ridiculous waste of time. He also made it
> clear that he was sure labor issues over wages and other
workplace
> issues would probably come up and that there was no way these
could be
> addressed in such a setting.
>
> I thanked him for sharing his concerns and observed that
labor issues
> would probably come up if it mattered to those in the room and
> requested that he trust me that it would be okay. I also
asked him to
> listen to the workers talk and resist taking charge of the
subject.
>
> No surprise that the topic came up at both sites in the first
round
> and was attended by almost everyone at my site. He scowled at
me big
> time. I will admit I was nervous.
>
> The 90 minute session went roughly like this: 30 of
frustration, 30
> minutes of "We are all in this together and still have the
best jobs n
> the valley" and 30 minutes of developing strategies. By the
end of the
> second round the company president faxed from the other site that
> their ideas were all valuable and could be implemented!
>
> The rest of the day was amazingly full of energy, excitement,
and optimism.
>
> --
> Shalom,
>
> Chris Kloth
> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
> 254 South Merkle Road
> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
> ph 614-239-1336
> fax 614-237-2347
> www.got2change.com
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>
> Think globally. Act locally.
>
>
> Quoting Jake Yeager <jacob.yea...@gmail.com
<mailto:jacob.yea...@gmail.com>>:
>
> > Hey Chris,
> >
> > Thanks so much for your response! It's very helpful to hear
your
> > experience, and it's awesome how the partnership you
mentioned is still
> > active!
> >
> > If you don't mind, I have a few follow-up questions for you:
> >
> > - What were the themes for the OSs with Carbarundum and
the non-profit
> > partnership? It seems the groups covered a lot of ground!
> > - I am an internal consultant, and our organization has
multiple
> sites.
> > I love that you facilitated an OS across sites! What do
you recommend
> for
> > executing an OS when there are multiple sites?
> >
> > Thank you so much Chris!
> >
> > Also, if anyone else on the list wants to share
recommendations for
> > executing OS cross-site, please do!
> >
> > All the best,
> > Jake
> > ________________
> >
> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again, and
> > you will be free of problems.
> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 11, 2019 at 10:46 PM Chris Kloth
<chris.kl...@got2change.com <mailto:chris.kl...@got2change.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Ralph Copleman, Barbara Bunker, and I used OST with a
division of
> >> Carbarundum that had just been sold. It included virtually
100% of the
> >> employees of the new organization in two geographic locations
> >> simultaneously... one in the eastern US and one in the
midwest. We had
> >> ti use dial-up computer access and fax machines to
communicate what
> >> was going on at each location each round! By the end of
the process
> >> there was a new mission, vision, values and basic organization
> >> structure.
> >>
> >> I used OST as part of the process of forming a collaborative
> >> partnership among 4 nonprofit organizations providing
early childhood
> >> care and education to very different types of children,
resulting in a
> >> mission, vision, and values, as well as articulating a
plan for the
> >> first two years of their partnership. That partnership is
now almost
> >> 25 years old. It's members have internalized the
principles of OST.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Shalom,
> >>
> >> Chris Kloth
> >> ChangeWorks of the Heartland
> >> 254 South Merkle Road
> >> Bexley, OH 43209-1801
> >> ph 614-239-1336
> >> fax 614-237-2347
> >> www.got2change.com
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> >> Think globally. Act locally.
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> >> Quoting Jake Yeager via OSList
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> >>
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone ever used OST 1) to develop a mission and/or
vision
> statement
> >> or
> >> > 2) to conduct strategic planning? If so, how did it go? Any
> >> recommendations?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > Much love as always,
> >> > Jake
> >> >
> >> > P.S. Hope to see you at WOSonOS so I can thank you in
person! :)
> >> > ________________
> >> >
> >> > When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine
once again,
> and
> >> > you will be free of problems.
> >> > - Robert Adams <http://www.robert-adams.info/
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:11:40 -0400
From: Tony Budak <tonybu...@tbmw.org <mailto:tonybu...@tbmw.org>>
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Subject: [OSList] Open Space Hangout! Tues Aug 13, 12 PM EDT!
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*Open Space Hang Out is ON for today at NOON est*
On 8/5/2019 6:49 PM, Tricia Chirumbole via OSList wrote:
> Hey all!!
>
> We'll be hanging out again tomorrow and waiting to see who
shows up
> and what happens! The Open Space hangout will be happening on
Zoom
> this *Tuesday*?- *August 6th **@12 PM Eastern Daylight Time!*
>
> Pop in and ask questions, workshop ideas, explore
possibilities, share
> what's up or just listen or say hi! We will gather for 1+
hours - Law
> of Two feet applies!
>
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> *
> *
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