Chris,
I look forward to Mark’s reply to your question.  It seems to me that that the 
question mixes up the who and the what.  Mark uses a few examples including a 
mechanic, the first question I have is what experience the trade person has my 
second is an example of their work.  OST is at one level about the “how” the 
job is done and I think that is one level the question comes from.  Being able 
to Open Space and engage effectively with the sponsor and the community of 
concern is an other level again.

There is a level of trust between the sponsor and the facilitator that the 
result the sponsor wants will be delivered.  The sponsor might ask how did you 
do that? I suggest that they are more interested on what you as facilitator 
delivered based on the contract.

In many ways focusing on the how is counter productive the “what” is the thing 
that pays the bills and builds reputations.

If my thinking is correct the struggle is to define a professional facilitator 
who can deliver is the issue not what tools they use when it comes to a 
contract.

Regards
Rob

> On 20 Aug 2019, at 2:31 am, Chris Corrigan via OSList 
> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
> 
> Whenever I want to know if my work of Hosting an Open Space Technology 
> meeting was useful, I give the participants a form that sinplay says 
> “complete the following sentence. As a result of this meeting...”
> 
> The only people who should be judging the efficacy of an OST meeting are the 
> people who called it in the first place to get their work done. In my 
> experience, they are happy if the meeting has helped them. 
> 
> My work is always directed towards client needs. Some times we do Open Space. 
> Sometimes we do it in a way that would drive a “by the book” person crazy. 
> But it’s about the clients. I doubt there is a way my process could be 
> formalized in a way that works better for my clients than sitting down and 
> listening to their needs. 
> 
> There is already a network of Open Space Institutes who steward this 
> practice. There is an international association of facilitators who can join 
> if you want certification. 
> 
> I find myself constantly wanting to defend this radical openness. Mark, what 
> is behind your string desire for something more formal than what we already 
> have?
> 
> Chris. 
> 
> 
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> 
>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList 
>> <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 1st of all thank you for everyone who gave me feedback on my big idea for 
>> certification. It was sincerely appreciated. However I can see it was 
>> something that did not  Resonate well.
>> 
>> Open space technology has clearly set the standard for the facilitation of 
>> peace and human understanding. It is such a powerful and simple tool but 
>> highly complex. As Harrison says..  chaos plows the fields of the mind so 
>> that new ideas can grow... I think there is ample chaos for us to tackle 
>> right now.
>> 
>> I think it is highly important for the leadership of our open space world to 
>> make a decision now while we still have Harrison among us as a living 
>> spirit. Because we have already set the standards why not cement the 
>> standards and turn it into an everlasting association that could be 
>> organized to deliver training, etc. To advance the mission of human peace 
>> and understanding in a more organized way?
>> 
>> If you want to be a beautician or a mechanic or a rocket scientist or a city 
>> manager there are associations for that .
>> 
>> Why not an association for open space technology practitioners to define the 
>> standards, the ethics, code of conduct, the way that Harrison has already 
>> articulated them, but to formalize them and help us get organized and stay 
>> organized until we get the job done?
>> 
>> Respectfully submitted,
>> Mark Carmel
>> 
>> 
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