Dear Michael, That's about the size of it. Although perhaps we need to consider the usefulness of a binary position. Sic devil/god ( especially where anarchism - which really means self organisation I guess rather than the usual interpretation that we are given of disorder and chaos.
If you are interested... https://libcom.org/library/self-management-spanish-revolution-point-blank And https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1743-4580.2010.00309.x Meanwhile... today I have been talking to one of our researchers about natural polymer wound dressings... all good I think and very non big pharma.. Best Karl On 20/08/2019, 12:02, "OSList on behalf of Michael M Pannwitz via OSList" <oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org on behalf of oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: Dear Karl, is "anarchistic" something that enters your mind when looking at "organisation"? Looking for "anarchistic organisation" wikipedia redirected me to "Anarchism". The first sentence there goes like this: "Anarchism is an anti-authoritarian political philosophy[1] that rejects hierarchies deemed unjust and advocates their replacement with self-managed, self-governed societies based on voluntary, cooperative institutions." Well, reading that, os came to my mind. I guess because my assumptions about os include ideas around "self-managed, self-governed, voluntary, cooperative". All characteristics that I feel could be part of what some of us called "interactive" or "open space" organisations. (In 2004,2005 and 2006 there was a series of annual gatherings in open space dealing with this issue in Krakow, Budapest, Istanbul). It appears that there are recurring efforts to come up with a type of organisation that is not the work of the devil. If someone burns for this issue and feels that "certification" or "Formalisation" of standard, ethics, code of conduct as a base for an association(organisation) will "get the job done", it will move forward if that someone invites to a gathering where folks sit in a circle, post their issues and go to work. It probably requires a face-to-face event. Greetings from Berlin where I amaze myself with what I busy myself with in my 80th year. Still have time to pick blackberries. mmp Am 20.08.2019 um 11:45 schrieb Royle, Karl via OSList: > You might look at examples from the past... the anarchists at the start of the Spanish civil war spring to mind > > Sent by iPhone > Karl Royle > Head of Enterprise and Commercial Development > > Faculty of Education Health and Wellbeing > University of Wolverhampton > 01902323006 > 07815416698 > @karlroyle. On Twitter > Karlr61 Skype > > >> On 20 Aug 2019, at 09:47, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> my assumption regarding "organisation" is that they are the work of the devil. >> They are omnipresent. There is practically nothing that can do without an "organisation". Government, churches, mafia, health care, schools, prisons, military, restaurants, foundations, associations, universities, concentration camps, secret service, sports, museums, shipyards, daycare, labour unions, political parties, courts, NGOs, NATO, ... you name it. >> Thinking beyond "organisations" seems impossible. >> Working for, in, against, with, through, in spite of, etc. "organisations" is omnipresent. >> And to make things even worse, they all are selforganising, right? >> And despite or because of their existence we have wars, starvation, pollution, glaciers disappearing, crime, corruption, you name it. >> Now, organisations not created by the devil but lets say by God would not create such a mess. >> One of the most lucrative businesses just about everywhere is consulting. Huge consulting firms work with/for/ect. huge businesses, governments, NGOs. Millions of folks work in that field helping them to become better, faster, etc. in the business they are involved in. >> >> Now, is ost something that consulting firms are into? >> >> There are some forms of "systems" such as neighborhoods, circles of friends, collegial counselling groups, OSonOS (local, regional, worldwide), people playing soccer with a tin can on a vacant lot, families, demonstrations (HongKong, Fridays for Future...), Stammtische... >> I smile in such settings, happy myself, grow myself... in such "settings" and also frustrate myself now and then. Especially when "control" enters the stage. >> And at some point many such "systems" or "settings" ossify when they take on the form of "organisations". In other words, the devil takes over. >> Some of us smell that when it approaches and say "no". And move on or drop out or fight or... >> >> Ok, this is stuff that comes up when I look at my "assumption" regarding "organisation". >> >> I would like to hear more about your "assumptions" that come up when "organisation" enters your mind. >> >> Greetings from Berlin >> mmp >> >> >> >>> Am 20.08.2019 um 00:04 schrieb R Chaffe via OSList: >>> Chris, >>> I look forward to Mark’s reply to your question. It seems to me that that the question mixes up the who and the what. Mark uses a few examples including a mechanic, the first question I have is what experience the trade person has my second is an example of their work. OST is at one level about the “how” the job is done and I think that is one level the question comes from. Being able to Open Space and engage effectively with the sponsor and the community of concern is an other level again. >>> There is a level of trust between the sponsor and the facilitator that the result the sponsor wants will be delivered. The sponsor might ask how did you do that? I suggest that they are more interested on what you as facilitator delivered based on the contract. >>> In many ways focusing on the how is counter productive the “what” is the thing that pays the bills and builds reputations. >>> If my thinking is correct the struggle is to define a professional facilitator who can deliver is the issue not what tools they use when it comes to a contract. >>> Regards >>> Rob >>>> On 20 Aug 2019, at 2:31 am, Chris Corrigan via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> Whenever I want to know if my work of Hosting an Open Space Technology meeting was useful, I give the participants a form that sinplay says “complete the following sentence. As a result of this meeting...” >>>> >>>> The only people who should be judging the efficacy of an OST meeting are the people who called it in the first place to get their work done. In my experience, they are happy if the meeting has helped them. >>>> >>>> My work is always directed towards client needs. Some times we do Open Space. Sometimes we do it in a way that would drive a “by the book” person crazy. But it’s about the clients. I doubt there is a way my process could be formalized in a way that works better for my clients than sitting down and listening to their needs. >>>> >>>> There is already a network of Open Space Institutes who steward this practice. There is an international association of facilitators who can join if you want certification. >>>> >>>> I find myself constantly wanting to defend this radical openness. Mark, what is behind your string desire for something more formal than what we already have? >>>> >>>> Chris. >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________ >>>> CHRIS CORRIGAN >>>> https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=k0GjC_urJp297nPRJf_2GKiIHXHCCIm27rpIJrkXsUjD8D_Wnm7o4bEixPnqy4r-RKuQewlzZ0YFAWOAKeBSXpgxTg27sw6JmYA4E-hV7OpdfWsIbl6tbg_OJSYiU1O10JZx2V4cDyG08LuKGtiMfS6J2HxwL2H63YJa0MiNtrWWoGmCqTfZo3A3QMgYtGXU0GYRo27_kSKg4RKWGM4V7g >>>> >>>>> On Aug 19, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Mark Carmel via OSList <oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 1st of all thank you for everyone who gave me feedback on my big idea for certification. It was sincerely appreciated. However I can see it was something that did not Resonate well. >>>>> >>>>> Open space technology has clearly set the standard for the facilitation of peace and human understanding. It is such a powerful and simple tool but highly complex. As Harrison says.. chaos plows the fields of the mind so that new ideas can grow... I think there is ample chaos for us to tackle right now. >>>>> >>>>> I think it is highly important for the leadership of our open space world to make a decision now while we still have Harrison among us as a living spirit. Because we have already set the standards why not cement the standards and turn it into an everlasting association that could be organized to deliver training, etc. To advance the mission of human peace and understanding in a more organized way? >>>>> >>>>> If you want to be a beautician or a mechanic or a rocket scientist or a city manager there are associations for that . >>>>> >>>>> Why not an association for open space technology practitioners to define the standards, the ethics, code of conduct, the way that Harrison has already articulated them, but to formalize them and help us get organized and stay organized until we get the job done? >>>>> >>>>> Respectfully submitted, >>>>> Mark Carmel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> OSList mailing list >>>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>>> https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=xjF6tuQ9rZpC5ml2BjGZRMzPafANFuhVklcVXi6lFKVUCqjof0Q0BRBauwGhyy6cfYF8GwiJjo7gbHTNgwVwGzyipt3l2sXHkbI2QaIhPIyxslcIIJnPBOcvTyGg52OMEx_0Y6s0-E-L-OdIAO2iAnOnmJbVq3uhJ4N9ie8h_j2smWpQzPBAMzQ9JXMcUaFLnNuRH_kgw-q5_XCPgAkvga7IN__xf7XFd1rCZdNA7uI9pxGxKM6fVH2Y0MmZGu1bTtgfBq2F2Lg6JZiv9k9NpQ >>>>> Past archives can be viewed here: https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=QSLPIu3jhUlIS0Nwz9ZBpLP68Zj8qBkxY421IJcIZEah4_9lO_g52OTyl5n72u2-fdJArDJZJS807I5Xr_5yQndlWoSzPPTukYBGh_cqmBmSi9C1up5fquv_sOWaaM90gIWoKk2zao_AwSwS1PAklJey8RPaE2mFRA2urqa3Cl1ilZ8G6IXhLOJsTy-ajDfynZPT6SeXzcyFhpy2lrz9atmBZgDXsc1_v56kcYIIC_1sn3o_IeTQnJCEaBLnjDvmqNilSNIsWX6chrJlT5DfsA >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> OSList mailing list >>>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>>> https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=xjF6tuQ9rZpC5ml2BjGZRMzPafANFuhVklcVXi6lFKVUCqjof0Q0BRBauwGhyy6cfYF8GwiJjo7gbHTNgwVwGzyipt3l2sXHkbI2QaIhPIyxslcIIJnPBOcvTyGg52OMEx_0Y6s0-E-L-OdIAO2iAnOnmJbVq3uhJ4N9ie8h_j2smWpQzPBAMzQ9JXMcUaFLnNuRH_kgw-q5_XCPgAkvga7IN__xf7XFd1rCZdNA7uI9pxGxKM6fVH2Y0MmZGu1bTtgfBq2F2Lg6JZiv9k9NpQ >>>> Past archives can be viewed here: https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=QSLPIu3jhUlIS0Nwz9ZBpLP68Zj8qBkxY421IJcIZEah4_9lO_g52OTyl5n72u2-fdJArDJZJS807I5Xr_5yQndlWoSzPPTukYBGh_cqmBmSi9C1up5fquv_sOWaaM90gIWoKk2zao_AwSwS1PAklJey8RPaE2mFRA2urqa3Cl1ilZ8G6IXhLOJsTy-ajDfynZPT6SeXzcyFhpy2lrz9atmBZgDXsc1_v56kcYIIC_1sn3o_IeTQnJCEaBLnjDvmqNilSNIsWX6chrJlT5DfsA >>> _______________________________________________ >>> OSList mailing list >>> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org >>> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: >>> https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=xjF6tuQ9rZpC5ml2BjGZRMzPafANFuhVklcVXi6lFKVUCqjof0Q0BRBauwGhyy6cfYF8GwiJjo7gbHTNgwVwGzyipt3l2sXHkbI2QaIhPIyxslcIIJnPBOcvTyGg52OMEx_0Y6s0-E-L-OdIAO2iAnOnmJbVq3uhJ4N9ie8h_j2smWpQzPBAMzQ9JXMcUaFLnNuRH_kgw-q5_XCPgAkvga7IN__xf7XFd1rCZdNA7uI9pxGxKM6fVH2Y0MmZGu1bTtgfBq2F2Lg6JZiv9k9NpQ >>> Past archives can be viewed here: https://url6.mailanyone.net/v1/?m=1hzznY-0003U2-3X&i=57e1b682&c=QSLPIu3jhUlIS0Nwz9ZBpLP68Zj8qBkxY421IJcIZEah4_9lO_g52OTyl5n72u2-fdJArDJZJS807I5Xr_5yQndlWoSzPPTukYBGh_cqmBmSi9C1up5fquv_sOWaaM90gIWoKk2zao_AwSwS1PAklJey8RPaE2mFRA2urqa3Cl1ilZ8G6IXhLOJsTy-ajDfynZPT6SeXzcyFhpy2lrz9atmBZgDXsc1_v56kcYIIC_1sn3o_IeTQnJCEaBLnjDvmqNilSNIsWX6chrJlT5DfsA >> >> -- >> Michael M Pannwitz >> Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany >> ++49 - 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