On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:40 AM, Chris Gehlker wrote:

>
> On Dec 18, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Charles Bennett wrote:
>
>> That is exactly true, nor Firemen or Police.
>>
>> Neither does any politician, city government and a whole host of  
>> other
>> organizations.
>>
>> Don't misunderstand me.  Just because something doesn't produce
>> anything doesn't mean it isn't necessary.
>>
>> BUT before you can tax income, someone has to make something of value
>> and sell to to someone else at a profit and the Government is only
>> funded by taxing income.
>
> How strange. Chuck  thinks services have no real value. All value for
> him apparently is embodied in material objects. Even the  physician
> who cures a potentially fatal disease doesn't actually 'produce'
> anything.

Services have whatever value the market places on them.

You may be the best commodore 64 programmer on the planet.

Your service is still  valued near zero.

The doctor sells his service for compensation in a competitive  
environment.

The government has no competition.   No incentive to be efficient (in  
fact, quite the opposite)
and whatever services it provides, it does so with monies that it did  
not *earn* but merely took.

Try an opt out of the social security system because you are not going  
to need their *service* and see how far you get.

The government proper can be never be more than a middle man and not a  
very good one is a lot of cases.

>
>
> We better watch out! This reasoning leads to hardcore Maoism/Stalinism
> and Chuck has guns.


Maoism/Stalinism   two great examples of gun control no?

How many lives were lost because of those two guys following a  
philosophy of the government providing ALL services?


=c=

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