On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > Working and living in the general region that his church is in - > actually, > I work quite close - I've never seen that side... if there was ever a > group of more self-indulgent, un-green, SUV-driving, wealth/might > makes > right, Christers its right here in Orange County, with Saddleback as > the > center. They give lip service to some causes not traditionally > associated > with the far right, sure, but I've never gotten the feeling it's > much more > than that.
C'mon Roger. This is a Sarah Palin, I can see Russia from here, argument. Unless you actually attend Saddleback church or are close to people who do you can't claim intimate knowledge of the congregation. > > > Ok, so my concern is this - I get all the cliches about reaching > across > the aisle, about being inclusive, etc. In practice, in the US, this > typically means the left is more than happy to move center, even > right, > giving up lots of ground, while the right is unbudging. We reach > across > the aisle, but in the end at best we get the reach-around. You must know some weak ass lefties. Arizona lefties are made of sterner stuff. > What does strike me is the wholly predictable outrage from the left > (whether justified or not) and the fact that, in this case (and > others), > Obama chose to ignore it. He's definitely taking his "base" for > granted, > and I hope he walks that line carefully. It's not really the liberal or the progressive community that's up in arms. It's the gay community. And Obama has a history of 'palling around' with homophobic preachers. Remember Rev. James T. Meeks, Reverend Donnie McClurkin and Reverend Hezekiah Walker? The gay community denounced Obama for his association with them but he didn't back down. Obama has had a very uncomfortable relationship with gays and their supporters from the beginning. Obama's position on gay sex seems to be that it may be a civil right but it is also a sin and he doesn't hesitate to denounce it personally. That seems to be his position on abortion as well. He opposes gay marriage and he has said so since the beginning. I think the only thing that's changed here is that the MSM have decided to focus on the issue. Not one of the gay people I know was under any illusion that they had Obama's approval. -- The fundamental delusion of humanity is to suppose that I am here and you are out there -Yasutani Roshi, Zen master (1885-1973) _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
