On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:48 PM, Chris Gehlker wrote: > > On Dec 18, 2008, at 1:54 PM, Roger Howard wrote: > >> Working and living in the general region that his church is in - >> actually, >> I work quite close - I've never seen that side... if there was ever a >> group of more self-indulgent, un-green, SUV-driving, wealth/might >> makes >> right, Christers its right here in Orange County, with Saddleback as >> the >> center. They give lip service to some causes not traditionally >> associated >> with the far right, sure, but I've never gotten the feeling it's >> much more >> than that. > > C'mon Roger. This is a Sarah Palin, I can see Russia from here, > argument. Unless you actually attend Saddleback church or are close to > people who do you can't claim intimate knowledge of the congregation.
I didn't claim intimate knowledge of anything - I'm familiar with them as anyone is familiar with prominent organizations and movements in their area. Though you hardly need to live here to know what they are about... so yes, maybe I stretched in suggesting its proprietary knowledge that is really much more common knowledge. The point remains. > You must know some weak ass lefties. Arizona lefties are made of > sterner stuff. Ummm... no. That's been the trend for years. When we talk about centrism, it means moving to the right. It's never meant the right moving to the center. Plain and simple. Let's put it another way - reaching across the poltiical divide to the right is admirable... but when faced with the choice of voting based on social justice and environmental issues (even assuming some of Warren's followers believe strongly in those issues) or voting against a pro-choice candidate, where do you think the religious right will go? Pro-life, anti-gay rights, social conservatism will *always* trump other issues for these people - even if they feel strongly about the environment, which I have no doubt many do (Orange County has many right-wing, pro-Life, but pro-environment types... plenty in the Surfrider Foundation down here, for instance). So why pander to them - unless we want Obama to compromise on those issues too? _______________________________________________ OSX-Nutters mailing list | [email protected] http://lists.tit-wank.com/mailman/listinfo/osx-nutters List hosted at http://cat5.org/
